Last edited by Rii; 27-05-2012 at 09:13 AM.
"If I were a dictator, religion and state would be separate. I swear by my religion. I will die for it. But it is my personal affair. The state has nothing to do with it. The state would look after your secular welfare, health, communications, foreign relations, currency and so on, but not your or my religion. That is everybody's personal concern." -Gandhi
See, dude, that's exactly the thing. You can put a spin on anything you want when using religion as an excuse. Do you think that the advocates of slavery use religion to validate their position? Or what about those who use the Bible as reason enough to deny equal rights to people who have sex with those of their own gender?And when it is via one's religion that one is inspired towards "equality and human rights" as in the case of Gandhi or Tolstoy or MLK, or any number of Christians and contemporary social justice movements, or anti-slavery movements in Britain and the United States, or Las Casas in excoriating Spain's conduct in the Americas, or any number of other examples?
It's the same thing as your mother using 'Jesus does like it when kids do this' to dissuade you from something.
This is unbelievably stupid.One can't divorce religion from politics, and nor would one want to.
The Power of Habit / Charles Duhigg, at the moment.
I stopped reading Dust of Dreams for a bit because it was way too sad/horrible. Instead, I've been re-reading Dune. Pretty cool.
I've begun to read 'The Farseer Trilogy', written by Robin Hobb. Currently midway through the first novel, 'Assassin's Apprentice' and I'm stunned at just how engaging and well-written the novel is, especially given in about 200 pages there's been next to no action.
Last edited by DzX; 27-05-2012 at 06:15 PM.
Given I'm still reading the novel [unlike 'The Name of the Wind' it hasn't bored me enough to give up] it's doing something right. If the prose is consistently outstanding throughout the trilogy I'll rejoice.
Last edited by DzX; 27-05-2012 at 07:42 PM.
Which is what I said. But in pressuring folk who're sincere in their belief to deny it at the ballot box and in the public arena, that's what you're asking for: soulless vote-wielding machines*. But fortunately it isn't actually possible. Of course the next obvious step is to deny religious folk the right to vote.He doesn't mean that religion should be sponsored by the political infrastructure but that politics should be based around morality and not be a soulless machine.
* One suspects they'd find jobs amongst the highest organs of capitalism.
Charming.However retarded Gandhi may have been
You can put any spin you like on an issue using non-theistic 'excuses' too, what of it? Should we ban science from the public sphere because it has been used to justify racism, sexism, eugenics, etc.?See, dude, that's exactly the thing. You can put a spin on anything you want when using religion as an excuse. Do you think that the advocates of slavery use religion to validate their position? Or what about those who use the Bible as reason enough to deny equal rights to people who have sex with those of their own gender?
Reflexively espoused dogma and belief in imaginary beings aren't limited to religion. The State is no more real than any creation myth, and it resembles the Church rather more closely and in more aspects than is generally acknowledged.It's the same thing as your mother using 'Jesus does like it when kids do this' to dissuade you from something.
Last edited by Rii; 27-05-2012 at 08:19 PM.
If you're going to continue this religious debate do you think you could create a new thread?
edit: yep, straying further off topic with each post, sorry.
A man chooses; a slave obeys
I for one am shocked that you guys chose to debate religion on the internet, rather than asking me my opinions on the subversive political messages that are rife in Concepts in Thermal Physics: Second Edition.
This really just seems to be proving my point in the religion thread. Anyway, BACK ON TOPIC:
I'm reading Qiu Xiaolong's latest Shanghai detective novel, Don't Cry, Tai Lake and Sven Beckert's Gilded Age chronology, The Monied Metropolis.