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24-09-2013, 04:15 PM #1701
I'm not sure about that. Miller, despite all his insane libertarian flaws, was saying something a bit deeper than usual with Batman. He made batman a far more psychological character with depth that didn't quite exist before. Though I agree better writers have gone on to do far more interesting stuff with Bats.
24-09-2013, 04:25 PM #1702
And I don't deny Miller did some amazing stuff, same with Martin. Hell, I think the early Jamie Lannister's POV chapters are one of the best "heel-face turns" in fantasy.
24-09-2013, 04:29 PM #1703
I always enjoyed Jamie and Tyrion chapters as the characters are fun but never really felt either character exactly had much depth to them.
As for Miller I'm increasingly suspicious of him as the only thing of his I actually liked was Dark Knight Returns and Year One. But reading them again knowing what a nutjob he is now I seem to always read more from it than when I was a kid.
24-09-2013, 05:18 PM #1704
Ned's the main character, right? So he should be strong and powerful and has plot armour and will surely come out on top and... nope. He has no power, and what little he does, he doesn't know how to use. He's a schmuck, pulled in by LF and the rest, and played like a... something that gets played. The idea that the lead character 'wins' is completely shattered. He does what he thinks is right, the decent, honourable thing, he sticks to his moral code and his honour and that really doesn't work out. He tried to be strong and good, and it availed him naught.
Ned dies. But it's OK readers! Robb has an army, and right on his side, and he's a brilliant commander in the field, and surely he'll get justice and... nope.
Sansa wants that Courtly dream, the Romance, to marry her fair prince and live happily ever after. Instead, she gets the reality of Courtly life... her prince is a monster, the Court is all about politics and intrigue and the Game of Thrones, and she's been pulled into it as a pawn, and looks likely to become a major player as Littlefinger 2.0. She'll get what she wants, to be a Lady of the Court, but it won't be what she was expecting.
Arya wants to be a badass killer, to get vengeance, to become a warrior. She's getting the chance, with the Faceless men... but to achieve it all she'll have to give up everything that is Arya, all her motivations, her identity. She'll get what she wants, but it's going to cost her the very things that have motivated her.
There's even the little ones... Lyanna, captured by the 'monstrous' Rhaegar, Damsel in the tower, a whole war started to rescue her (or was it?). But, Brandon and his father die, Ned arrives too late, and Rhaegar wasn't a monster in the first place.
Or, the Bear and the Maiden Fair and ALL of the references and nods to it, and the demolishing of the "Beauty = Good, Ugly = Bad" trope.
28-09-2013, 02:53 AM #1705
Finally finished DwD a day or two ago, after delaying reading it for literal months. The "major" twist didn't affect me nearly as much as my brother hoped it would (he's laughed at my reaction to every big event thus far) but even so, goddamn the last few chapters set up the next book magnificently IMO. Looking forward to it's eventual release 15 years from now!
28-09-2013, 04:48 AM #1706
I finished it recently too and am gorging on theories. Enjoyed despite it and Feast being slower than ASoS, though I agree with Unaco it's very much the start of part 2. Martin is not just a typical writer, definitely not defined by tropes so I'm not sure what Gundato's getting at.
Anyone got any favourite theories? I'm a fan of the Blackfyre one myself. There's just such a depth beneath what is being written. And I'm surprised people say Jaime doesn't have depth.
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28-09-2013, 03:44 PM #1707
Been reading Steelheart. So far, I really like it. Reminds me a lot of Elantris in that it is largely about studying the underlying magic system and what not. Don't get me wrong, I love a little girl in a ghillie suit flying across a continent or a guy with a spear holding off an entire army. But there is something to the cold and methodical way that the Epics are studied and targeted.
Also, as of finding out why Meghan disliked David, I am pretty sure I know Steelheart's weakness: He loses his powers if people believe in him/praise him for what he does, and Steelheart really IS the good guy that David's father thought he was, he just has no choice but to play the monster if he wants to have the power to protect Newcago. Also, pretty sure David is an Epic from the way he wasn't spotted in the elevator shaft.
And, as always, it is fun to keep an eye open for Hoid.
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28-09-2013, 04:17 PM #1708
Unaco you're a big fan of Malazan right? I'm starting it now and I am enjoying it despite it being reasonably hard to follow in places. Any tips on how to get through it? I struggle with where things are the most, I have no point of reference in my head yet.
29-09-2013, 03:51 AM #1709
I recently started on World War Z and I can't put it down, it's quite awesome. I think I like it so much because it reminds me a lot of the academic case studies from my Ethnic Conflict studies, it's just like that but... with zombies! Stuff like how it afffected the Israel and Palestine relations for instance, quite interesting and believable. Well researched, too.
29-09-2013, 04:10 AM #1710
Yeah it's a fun read. I love some of the stories, the escape from Japan one is just fantastic.
30-09-2013, 01:36 PM #1711
Heh. Finished Steelheart. Thoughts below:
I was way off, although I also don't think the full details are known just yet as it still seems strange that Steelheart would go out of his way to fake his atrocities when he was clearly perfectly capable of committing them. And his power being dependent on people fearing him doesn't explain why he made Newcago a comparatively decent place to live, which makes me suspect a Lord Ruler-esque "He wasn't ALL bad" in later books.
Also, I now suspect the reason for Nightwielder was to block out the rays of the sun/Calamity as a way to limit the number of Epics (it is conceivable that the radiation from the shard referred to as Calamity needs to be combined with sunlight to unlock Epic powers).
Either way, looking forward to Firefight in a year or so. And Hoid was either Diamond or wasn't in this book (it is a trilogy, he has time). If he was, then this would mark his most active role that isn't The Way of Kings (which is really the super-book that seems to tie the whole Cosmere together anyway).
And apparently it isn't in The Cosmere. Which explains a lot. Probably for the best since Vin and Wax and (I suspect by the end of book 2) Kaladin could EASILY drop pretty much any Epic, which makes this magic system not disturbingly overpowered.[/edit]
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30-09-2013, 02:01 PM #1712
Reading In Cold Blood by Joe Abercrombie and have to say its pretty entertaining with the usual blacker anti-heroes if you call them heroes that have entertaining personalities and tics. It pretty much reads like a series of heist movies one more complicated then the other and getting more and more bloody as it goes along. Looking forward to continue reading the rest of the new books.
30-09-2013, 02:24 PM #1713
30-09-2013, 03:53 PM #1714
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Just picked up An Idea of Justice by Amartya Sen. From what I could make of the preface, it's gonna be a hard read.
30-09-2013, 03:56 PM #1715
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30-09-2013, 03:58 PM #1716I assume you mean "Best Served Cold". The story about revenge, right?
Be warned that the next one (The Heroes) is REALLY FUCKING DARK, even by Abercrombie's standards, but Red Country is actually quite good and is much more reminiscent of the original trilogy.
30-09-2013, 04:38 PM #1717
One of the best parts of the original trilogy was watching West and Ninefingers be brutally beaten down by the nonstop violence and vengeance while still coming out "human" (well, maybe not so much for Ninefingers...). Too many characters in The Heroes seemed to have existed just to be murdered or emotionally destroyed.
Hell, I would probably say that Red Country is "lighter and softer" than all of the previous books in the series. Which is pretty fucked up and weird, considering it is about a girl and her stepfather coming home to find their entire household murdered and her young siblings kidnapped.
I am now REALLY looking forward to Abercrombie's young adult books.
*: Unlike my complaints with Martin which boil down to "Get rid of the rapey violence and it is just another fantasy story, admittedly an interesting one"
30-09-2013, 04:45 PM #1718
Still going through Children of Fire. So far so good, decently paced even though it's skipping many years, but I don't really mind. He's given himself 3 books to tell these stories and since the first few chapters are about the individual birth of the "children" in question, I don't really fancy reading seven tome sized books about their childhood and teen years.
My only issue so fair is through my own fault I'm reading it sporadically and as a result almost every time I come back to it I have to wonder "who is this guy again? Whats this part he's referring to?""Halo is designed to make the player think "I look like that, I am macho sitting in my undies with my xbox""
30-09-2013, 05:38 PM #1719
30-09-2013, 07:07 PM #1720
Genabackis is still an active campaign for the Malazans... the 12 major cities formed an alliance, joined with the locals and some others that wish to oppose the Empire. In relation to the rest of the Empire, it's to the East of Quon and 7Cities. For Gardens... you really only need to focus on the land between Pale and Darujhistan, but knowing where the other places that are mentioned (Blackdog forest, the Rhivi plains, where Caladan Brood is doing his thing) are located doesn't hurt. It's really all set in Darujhistan though.
Later books will, slowly, build up a more full picture of the Empire. The series largely takes place on the frontiers of the Empire, rather than in the Heartland though.