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16-07-2013, 06:18 PM #41
Speaking of disguises, what is crucifix if not an amulet ? What about Holy Water ? They're not merely symbols, they grant 200% damage to undead and improve saving throws.
So far the discussion has been quite civil, so I'll continue with Buddism. Buddism has a romantic air about it. It's the religion of peace and tolerance, right ? Their respect for life is proverbial. Not quite:
Of all the moral precepts instilled in Buddhist monks the promise not to kill comes first, and the principle of non-violence is arguably more central to Buddhism than any other major religion. So why have monks been using hate speech against Muslims and joining mobs that have left dozens dead?
While no Muslims have been killed in Sri Lanka, the Burmese situation is far more serious. Here the antagonism is spearheaded by the 969 group, led by a monk, Ashin Wirathu, who was jailed in 2003 for inciting religious hatred. Released in 2012, he has referred to himself bizarrely as "the Burmese Bin Laden".
On Tuesday, Buddhist mobs attacked mosques and burned more than 70 homes in Oakkan, north of Rangoon, after a Muslim girl on a bicycle collided with a monk. One person died and nine were injured.
But however any religion starts out, sooner or later it enters into a Faustian pact with state power. Buddhist monks looked to kings, the ultimate wielders of violence, for the support, patronage and order that only they could provide. Kings looked to monks to provide the popular legitimacy that only such a high moral vision can confer.
The result can seem ironic. If you have a strong sense of the overriding moral superiority of your worldview, then the need to protect and advance it can seem the most important duty of all.
So, historically, Buddhism has been no more a religion of peace than Christianity.
One of the most famous kings in Sri Lankan history is Dutugamanu, whose unification of the island in the 2nd Century BC is related in an important chronicle, the Mahavamsa.
It says that he placed a Buddhist relic in his spear and took 500 monks with him along to war against a non-Buddhist king.
There goes the myth. It saddens me that even Buddism doesn't make you immune to zeal.pass
16-07-2013, 06:24 PM #42
It kind of proves a point. If we're more interested in being right than we are in conversation or actually caring about that person, we're doing it wrong. By being automatically dismissive, mocking or ridiculing others, we're exercising that very attitude.
So, yeah... Civil discussion=good; Pot shots=bad.
16-07-2013, 06:29 PM #43
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16-07-2013, 06:39 PM #45
It was intended as an illustration, not a pot shot. The idea was that talking to people in ways (and in situations) that they will clearly find insensitive and/or offensive is iffy. Immediately addressing religious individuals (or anyone on the "other side"), with mockery and things they'll find offensive is kind of an insincere approach. I guess we're offended here that with the idea that mocking folks might be a bad approach?
If I've ruffled feathers, as I clearly have, it was not my intention. It was intended to provide a little perspective, not an insult. I kind of care about that, so I have no problem apologizing.
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16-07-2013, 06:48 PM #46
16-07-2013, 06:50 PM #47
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This doesn't belong in PC GAMING DISCUSSION,so it should be closed. Mod,please.
16-07-2013, 06:52 PM #48
16-07-2013, 06:59 PM #49
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16-07-2013, 07:01 PM #50
My last bit in the OT-ness of this thread:
/ontopic // turningpage
I'm pretty sure I picked up Machinarium in a past Humble Bundle, but haven't gotten around to doing more than installing it. It's at least interesting that they chose to include something like this in the game's world.
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16-07-2013, 07:04 PM #51
16-07-2013, 07:09 PM #52
You can spin the digression off into an Other Stuff thread your own selves if you want. =) Machinarium's use of multi-faith robot church as puzzle and world-building element is interesting enough that I would not like to move it! =P
I haven't actually played much past the intro, so I haven't seen that part, but it does sound like a successful little scene. That's probably because it displays the external affects of religious services on a neighborhood, instead of delving into the internal "spiritual experiences" of the churchgoers. (I think games do a lot better, or at least it's easier to do a decent treatment, when showing you the externals and leaving most of the internals up to your understanding of common human experiences...if that makes any sense).
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16-07-2013, 07:25 PM #53
I'll try to salvage the thread by turning it into religion in games.
What other games can you recall that have some interesting religion in the background, and not of the "good healing priests/evil cultists" variety ?pass
16-07-2013, 07:31 PM #54
(not trying to dredge up the thread or push this one aside or anything; it's just a good historical read and has a "hee nee nee" Age of Empires priest joke in it =P)
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16-07-2013, 07:37 PM #55
16-07-2013, 07:41 PM #56
By the by, does Machinarium actually do anything with "religion" in the game? Or does it just make a funny by having robots go to church and then making robot denominations that go to church at different times? I suppose I could beat it myself and find out =P In any case, I think I like it best as a "haha these robots are doing a human thing sort of" moment.
16-07-2013, 07:43 PM #57
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16-07-2013, 08:24 PM #60
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Blood for the Blood God