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16-08-2013, 03:55 PM #1
Hotline Miami 2 rape scene controversy.
Shockingly, there is a controversy on the internet. Cara previewed Hotline Miami 2 for Pc Gamer and was disturbed in a scene where the main character goes to rape a woman, though I believe the director of the show cuts before it is shown. Full link to article
16-08-2013, 03:56 PM #2
I don't mind rape in videogame,i mean people were okey when you murder others in game but when it comes to sex,even if its against your will they start to bitch.... I take the lives of a few to protect the lives of many. I commit acts of war to preserve the greater peace. I take no joy in killing, but make no mistake; I'll do what needs to be done. Because it's my job. It's my duty. My name is Sam Fisher, and I am a Splinter Cell.
16-08-2013, 04:00 PM #3
people hopefully mind rape more than sex.
I was at rezzed and saw people playing hotline. I think its poorly made, it depends on if it remains a thing that happens only once, because if it does, then itll detract from the game.
16-08-2013, 04:04 PM #4
As for what's described Cara's reaction doesn't seem unfair, I would find it grubby and uncomfortable to play. But I can't really comment until I play it.
I'm not sure Hotline Miami has the right sensibility to deal with rape all that well.
16-08-2013, 04:06 PM #5
I still theorise that the end boss of hotline miami 2 will be someone you have to rape.
16-08-2013, 04:11 PM #6
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I thought rape was implied in the first game with the woman you carry out. That's why she says don't leave me. Then there was the brutally disemboweled woman on the floor of the extra level. Also the way you kill the samurai walking away from you.
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16-08-2013, 04:12 PM #7
It's good that it disturbed her. Hotline Miami is a disturbing game, I can only image the second would be even more so."Halo is designed to make the player think "I look like that, I am macho sitting in my undies with my xbox""
16-08-2013, 04:16 PM #8
I think it could bother people for many reasons, but the ones that come to my mind are:
1) The male enemies in the game are far from defenseless. Frequent use of the 'R to restart' option is evidence that it's at least a fair fight. (insofar as being able to one-shot you)
2) The woman doesn't fight back
3) Control is taken away from the player and they are forced to do something they may not have agreed to
As far as the violence part goes, I think the original game was pretty straight forward about portraying it as sickening.
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16-08-2013, 04:19 PM #10
Hotline Miami kind of straddled the line of - is this glorfying violence, or trying to say something about our violent tendencies. But at the end of the day, it was a well crafted murder sim with a great soundtrack, but not a great deal to say. For me the juxtaposition with the ultraviolence and the beat with the silence of the aftermath was well done, but the storyline and the secrets weren't.
I think if you want to talk about rape in a game you kind of need to earn the right, with good writing and something to say (or perhaps a sensory overload type of thing which could be equally powerful without written word). But the way it's framed in HM2 sounds like its done as a shock tactic to make the game seem edgy, which doesn't sit well for me.
16-08-2013, 04:22 PM #11
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You know, I am not keen on Hotline Miami - ultraviolence is just not my thing - so the chances of me ever wanting to play the sequel were slim to begin with. But chucking rape into the mix, for what is clearly just shock value, is somewhat different. Hotline Miami is a clearly stylised game, a top-down Tarantino movie with over-the-top, cathartically unrealistic violence and mayhem. And in all of this slaughter, a female character is singled out not just for brutal murder but for rape.
Statistically, around 1 in 4 women will be raped during their lifetime. If you know four women, chances are quite good that at some stage one of them will be raped, probably by someone she knew and thought she could trust. It is a violent crime which overwhelmingly consists of male perpetrators and female victims, for which only a tiny minority ever see their day in court (never mind get justice), and for which the majority of those victims will overwhelmingly be told by society that it was, somehow, their fault.
This isn't about prudishness. This is about violent sexual assault and violation being reduced to a punchline in a shock-value joke in a shock-value game. It is purile and disgusting and everyone who was involved with its production should feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
16-08-2013, 04:24 PM #12
What if you know more then four women and not even one got raped :o ?!?!... I take the lives of a few to protect the lives of many. I commit acts of war to preserve the greater peace. I take no joy in killing, but make no mistake; I'll do what needs to be done. Because it's my job. It's my duty. My name is Sam Fisher, and I am a Splinter Cell.
16-08-2013, 04:25 PM #13
That 1 in 4 number is way off. I remember when that statistic came out (it was mid 1990's) and it was something involving college students, IIRC. It certainly wasn't 1 out of every 4 women on Earth.
16-08-2013, 04:28 PM #14
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16-08-2013, 04:28 PM #15
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16-08-2013, 04:30 PM #16
I'm not arguing anything, just saying that "1 in 4" thing is probably not accurate today. It certainly isn't accurate to say "If you know at least four women one of them has been raped."
Not to say that rape is good or anything. It's bad and we shouldn't do it. Much like all of the other stuff in Hotline Miami.
16-08-2013, 04:32 PM #17
Maybe its meant 1 in 4 in Africa,because you know,they get raped allot there.... I take the lives of a few to protect the lives of many. I commit acts of war to preserve the greater peace. I take no joy in killing, but make no mistake; I'll do what needs to be done. Because it's my job. It's my duty. My name is Sam Fisher, and I am a Splinter Cell.
16-08-2013, 04:39 PM #18
The original for me was a simulator of someone with serious mental/drug issues. The hazy nature of the game, the 'voices', the music, the ultraviolence could have been imagined just as easily as real. It WAS disturbing, but I like to be challenged a little by games sometimes, and I'd much rather a game leaves me feeling disturbed about violence than celebratory (hello, COD). There was the implication of an abusive relationship in the first, but it wasn't explicit, so this sort of behaviour could be 'in character' for the lead role (assuming the sequel follows the same protagonist).
HM2 would have to be careful how it approached the concept. In the wrong context it could come across as simply headline grabbing or cheap, but it could also be used to question the behaviour, or drive a complex plot. The creators have it in them, I think. I want games to be provocative, so I want to see games try to take on genuinely complex, mature themes. There will be failures (and this could well be one), but a game that actually articulates the complexity and pain associated with this act would be interesting. (Note, I'm not saying this is 'fun' or anything, much like films or literature that explore the concept, it will most likely be harrowing and disturbing).Benevolent dictator of the RPS Blood Bowl Divisions of Death - Join us!
16-08-2013, 04:40 PM #19
'Hotline Miami is meant to underline how bizarre video game violence has gotten at this point. We dont need to think about it, we are given merely the shallowest pretence and thats enough for us to attempt to beat Stalin's high-score.
The rape scene is a logical progression of that. Why, the game asks, are we okay with mass-murder but not okay with rape? Why is rape a special kind of evil? You had no problem with violence directed at those men back there, so why does your stomach turn when i make you do this? Its a strong statement. Its certainly not been included merely for shock value. And the fact it makes you stomach turn means essentially that its doing its job.'
16-08-2013, 04:42 PM #20
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To be fair the entire event is taken out of context.
We haven't been able to play the scene in question or experience it within the context of the rest of the game's narrative and then make comment.
But all I was getting from this is.... Cara don't like rape because its against a woman! Okay she was a tad more wordy than that but still.
It seems she's okay with a power fantasy that involves torturing numerous males but a violent act against one woman even in the context of a game where you play killers for hire is deplorable.
I guess she's of that feminist mindset that all sex is rape and all women are on a pedestal to the rest of the world.
It's gonna be interesting to see how Cara and the feminists react when the new Call Of Duty is released.
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