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16-08-2013, 08:16 PM #81
16-08-2013, 08:21 PM #82
Thought experiments counts for very little at any rate, because theoretical behavior has no real bearing on actual behavior.
16-08-2013, 08:31 PM #83
And I guess that's relevant to the discussion - IMHO rape is a legitimate subject in media/entertainment/art, as long as it's handled well. And I would like to argue that even in shocking/exploitative contexts it can work (I mean, I'm not sure that I would call the original I Spit On Your Grave a good movie - but it sure as hell is effective).
Despite what a lot of people say, the original Hotline Miami wasn't exactly deep - it was clever, yes, but it didn't have anything meaningful to say besides the by now cliched "Hey, are you sure that what you're doing is really all that great?"-trope.
Yet, it still was effective, in the same way a good exploitation movie is effective, such as HM's obvious cinematic inspiration, Drive (which is totally an exploitation movie. Shut up!).
So yeah, let's wait and see what the context is.There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!
16-08-2013, 08:33 PM #84
I'm not going to live an ascetic life to avoid harms I find undue or unjust any more than I'm going to stop eating meat because I care for the creatures of this earth, though I get why people make those decisions. Harm is a part of life; bad things happen. I have to balance my own happiness and my own fulfillment with that of others, but I don't have to push towards the best of all possible worlds--partially because I don't feel I could even decide what that would look like but partially because I don't think that sort of absolute idealism is important. I'm happy moving more generally upward, seeking improvement without seeking perfection--the two can look very similar and sound very similar but they are fundamentally different.
Finally, I am somewhat spiritual. I do believe in purpose. But I, like many people, live in a dual world where purpose is arbitrary construction and where purpose gives spiritual meaning. I recognize the insignificance of human meaning in the grand scheme even as I decide it is important. I embrace both confidence and uncertainty. I accept that even those things most precious to me--free will, consciousness, love--are most likely illusory. But I nevertheless embrace the visceral nature of those illusions and accept them as a form of reality. My actions might have negative ramifications for others and I'm not always ok with that, but I keep moving, keep living, and enjoy myself becasue I am not wholly a creature of cause and effect. It's far more complicated than that, and even if that's just a lie I tell myself to be happy? Well, I won't say there's nothing I can do to change that but on some level the lie is being told and I am happy enough sometimes not to change that.
Last edited by gwathdring; 16-08-2013 at 08:41 PM.I think of [the Internet] as a grisly raw steak laid out on a porcelain benchtop in the sun, covered in chocolate hazelnut sauce. In the background plays Stardust’s Music Sounds Better With You. There’s lots of fog. --tomeoftom
You ruined his point by putting it in context that’s cheating -bull0
16-08-2013, 08:48 PM #85
16-08-2013, 08:57 PM #86
[QUOTE=jaguar skills;346692 With that said, why does anyone do anything then?
Because you are biologically programmed to. The programming has been fine tuned through evolution. A process that doesn't need any purpose. It is just a product of the laws of nature which really don't pay any special interest to human beings. That does not mean that you can't find your own purpose to life, just that you have to understand that that purpose is artificial and is formed from your human perception of reality. Thinking that there is some kind of human like God or some special magic purpose to it all is just a deletion and has no evidence to back it up. Everything pionts to the completly neutral and uncaring view of the universe.
I think the point you made is what a lot of theists/super natural spiritualists/whatever get confused as to how an atheist manages to do anything.
16-08-2013, 09:09 PM #87
I should probably point out that I'm an atheist with an infantile philosophy bordering on nihilism, I was just interested to go further down Serenegooses particular rabbit hole and compare notes. Any views I hold that look spiritual or even remotely non-rational/empirical are purely coincidental.
Anyway, looking forward to stoving dudes heads over and over again with a baseball bat and then being kind of appalled by a rape scene for five seconds! Who's with me?Originally Posted by Kanye WestOriginally Posted by Kanye West
16-08-2013, 09:10 PM #88
16-08-2013, 09:17 PM #89
I haven't seen Only God Forgives, but all the reasons people give for hating it (every shot being just-so, excessive violence, style over substance, no characters) just make me look forward to it more. I will always indulge myself and pop the wank hat on, and so long as I have the self-awareness to realise what a dork I am I will never feel guilty for it either.Originally Posted by Kanye WestOriginally Posted by Kanye West
16-08-2013, 09:20 PM #90
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Why can't a game depict rape? Other mediums do it all the time. As long as it isn't actively promoting rape as an awesome and totally acceptable thing to do, like with a "Drop the roofies in the right drink" or "How far can you go without waking her up!?!?" mini game, who cares? Are we worried that people are going to play this game and then immediately go out and rape someone?"game sales for consoles destroys pc games completely why do u think they are so cheap on steam lol."
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16-08-2013, 09:21 PM #91
I made the Gary Glitter point to show how ludicrous your hypothetical was, but instead of moving on you went right ahead and popped his glam-rocking, child-molesting cock in your mouth like a champ.
To save the universe.
Think of that!Originally Posted by Kanye WestOriginally Posted by Kanye West
16-08-2013, 09:25 PM #92
Personally, I don't think games should really go anywhere near rape until they get the hang of consensual love and sex. The tripe in Mass Effect and Dragon Age shows that we're a long way from that happening. That said, people are more than welcome to try so long as they don't mind people slagging it off.Originally Posted by Kanye WestOriginally Posted by Kanye West
16-08-2013, 09:32 PM #93
I don't think anyone is saying that games can't depict rape, but there would certainly be some reasonable questions brought about if a game happened to glorify it. I'm not saying this game has done that, and the article doesn't either, but we also maintain the right to critique a piece of art that discusses a topic in a sloppy or senseless fashion. Cara expressed her emotional reaction to the scene, and even brought up the question of why it's okay to clear a room by violently bashing in skulls, then recoil in horror at a rape scene. As for the "who cares?" comment.. I think I would say everyone should care at some level, and not in an effort to prohibit freedom of expression, but as thinking people who are responding to art/media/games. If someone made a game about "how far can I get before she wakes up" I would feel very justified in thinking the person who made that is a shallow skeever who deals in shock to elicit a response, rather than attempting to have a serious discussion about the topic.
16-08-2013, 09:36 PM #94
It's the question that comes up with humor about sexual violence. Is the joke funny because of the context, the setup, the delivery, what-have you or becasue that guy said something about rape and that's inherently funny? Or is it funny because it's really "hahaha, women" or "hahaha feminism is stupid?"
Games can tackle whatever subjects they want. I reserve the right to judge them for it and I expect them to conform to my standards if I'm going to appreciate them. If they meet certain other standards, I'm going to call them out and lump them in with other media I consider representative of a social problem, or contributing to it. You yourself added such a standard in your own post that you except depictions of rape in games to conform to, yes?I think of [the Internet] as a grisly raw steak laid out on a porcelain benchtop in the sun, covered in chocolate hazelnut sauce. In the background plays Stardust’s Music Sounds Better With You. There’s lots of fog. --tomeoftom
You ruined his point by putting it in context that’s cheating -bull0
16-08-2013, 10:14 PM #95
16-08-2013, 10:18 PM #96
Why does that sound familiar?
I also disagree with your "greater good"
Most wars are about brainwashing the plebs to fight and lay down thier lives to protect the privilege and prejudices of those lording over them.
(I really need to stop double posting, sorry)
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