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    Alpha Centuri... so whats so good about it?

    i've been playing Civ since getting civ 1 on the amiga back in the dim distant early 90s... i've played all the sequels and love everything sid meier related...

    one game i never played though was alpha centuri... so, after seeing all the loving it was getting here i bought it on gog the other day...

    now, i've only played it for one (longish) session, but i really couldn't see how it was any better than any of the civ games... there is the familiar civ-ness to it, and the resource gathering and things seem obvious enough, but i didn't see anything there i couldn't already find in a straight civ game...

    the research tree i found unfathomable with no idea what was good to research... it is true i didn't take too much time reading the alpha-pedia...

    so, what am i missing?

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    Last edited by Malawi Frontier Guard; 22-08-2011 at 11:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malawi Frontier Guard View Post
    Is this a joke? Are you joking?
    if i was joking i would have said "a horse walks into a bar..." :)

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    A lot of people said they found the research tree hard. I don't get that - weapons and armour are clearly delineated by the number next to them for how strong they are. Secret projects - well you just click on them to see what they do. It of course helps if you have the physical version with the paper tech tree. It also helps if you know the Civ 2 rules pretty well - combat is taken straight from Civ 2, with reactors replacing toughness and fire-power removed and a more sophisticated veterancy and bonus system.

    What does SMAC do that Civ doesn't? Basically, a far better realised world. The seven factions are clearly differentiated (something that civ didn't do before, and does in a clearer way than successive Civs have). The faction leaders have pretty clear personalities, brought out by their tech and secret project narrations as well as their actions. The biggest and most important part of it however is Planet itself. From the mindworms and monoliths to the fact that all the terrain is a real, player-deformable, 3D world. Want those mountains gone, you can remove them. Want to reclaim land? Go ahead. Want to drown an enemies cities - no problem! The battle between terraforming and fungus, settlers and mindworms also really creates a feel of taming the world in a way that other civs don't.

    For all that though, there are things that Civ 4 and even 5 do better. Still, for me at least, SMAC really tried pushing the series and genre forward in a way that has sadly been neglected by the core Civ series.

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    We've discussed this. There is nothing good about AC, it's too bleak.

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    ah bugger, don't believe i missed that other thread.... and thanks cmaster for the reply... i didn't get the terraforming bit at all will look into that more... after i've read the other thread :)

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    I've never really been into 4x games - I've tried playing one of the Civ games before but ultimately found it too 'dry' and lacking in motivation. But I recently picked up Alpha Centauri and found it hard to put down, the main reason being that it's a much more interesting world and the factions actually have distinct personalities. I cannot express how much I hate Miriam and her mindless "Believers", which is something I can't say of the various historic factions in a Civ game, and that creates a kind of narrative to the game that drives me. Without that it's just a numbers game really.

    Mechanically it's pretty much just Civ in space as far as I can tell, so if you're already into Civ games you may have a hard time understanding what the big deal is.

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    I have the impression that some game studio is doing some queries all around the internet about what is the opinion of AC, and the people that like it, why liked it.

    I suppose are making a AC game, and don't want to step on a minefield. We, the gamer crown, are very passionate about things, and sometimes scary like a angry mob.


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    @tei that would be really nice wouldn't it, actually polling the community secretly beforehand and then releasing the perfect game :) ... sneaky but it might just work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Land Squid View Post
    We've discussed this. There is nothing good about AC, it's too bleak.
    I honestly don't remember that being the consensus. In fact, reading up on the original thread, I'm pretty certain that wasn't the consensus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dog View Post
    @tei that would be really nice wouldn't it, actually polling the community secretly beforehand and then releasing the perfect game :) ... sneaky but it might just work...
    The good news if that if the game is good, everyone will play it. The bad news is that Sherallya, goddness of fire, have gamers has is most favorite followers. If that where the case, I would be cultivating some really thigh skin. But, worst, ..some of the critics could contain traces of truth,... that adds to the burness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    I honestly don't remember that being the consensus. In fact, reading up on the original thread, I'm pretty certain that wasn't the consensus.
    It was a joke :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Land Squid View Post
    It was a joke :)
    You have a pitch-perfect deadpan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    You have a pitch-perfect deadpan.
    Well I figured it would be clear because it's such a dismissive thing to say if I wasn't joking.

    On the other hand, the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Land Squid View Post
    Well I figured it would be clear because it's such a dismissive thing to say if I wasn't joking.

    On the other hand, the internet.
    On the third hand, Wizardry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    On the third hand, Wizardry.
    I reread what I wrote and the resemblance is uncanny. Should I be worried?

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    You people are obsessed with me. Do you stick up posters of me in your bedrooms? Do you name characters after me in The Sims? Do you mentally picture me screwing your favourite porn star? Do you count Wizardrys to help you fall asleep at night?

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    I do all of those things and more.

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    I ordered a lifesize companion doll dressed like a Wizardry character


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizardry View Post
    You people are obsessed with me. Do you stick up posters of me in your bedrooms? Do you name characters after me in The Sims? Do you mentally picture me screwing your favourite porn star? Do you count Wizardrys to help you fall asleep at night?
    I tried buying Wizardry in GoG but is not available. I don't know if is abandonsoftware by now. Do you know where I can get a digital download of the game? I have heard (here and on other forums) that is a important game in RPG story.

    Yes, I want to buy Wizardry 8

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