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    I think is time to mail the RPS editors, and ask then for some moderators for the forums. While I think there are very good people here... not only I think that, but I have made some experiments that pretty much prove it,... .It seems the current crop of readers is too caustic, or corrosive, or something... and we make a bad forum. Posting virii, warez or porn is about the "final" thing you can do in a forum. You can't fall lower than that.

    I am a pro-freedom dude, and I have participated in a lot of forums withouth any moderation. The very idea that a forum may need moderation is alien to me. But seems some forums do need moderators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMaster View Post
    More to the point:
    When a game is no longer available for the developers, the development company has long gone under, the IP rights quite possibly have evaporated into the ether, then:
    Who on earth is harmed by it being shared freely? Perhaps it slightly reduces the chances of a commercial re-release, but practically, a lot of these games either nobody owns the rights to any more (company went bust without anyone buying the rights) or the rights holder has no objection to it being spread around, they simply don't want to go through the hassle of making it available themselves.

    Equally, who is harmed if the software is not made freely available? Anyone who might otherwise have enjoyed it.
    that is not the problem.

    it still makes it illegal. I don't question the existence of "abandonware" sites. I question the fact people somehow distinguishing them from pirate bay sites. both sites host illegal programs, both sites profit from it (abandonia has ads), whether it is morally okay or not is your choice. Linking to them is wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    that is not the problem.

    it still makes it illegal. I don't question the existence of "abandonware" sites. I question the fact people somehow distinguishing them from pirate bay sites. both sites host illegal programs, both sites profit from it (abandonia has ads), whether it is morally okay or not is your choice. Linking to them is wrong here.
    Not sure I agree. Copyright infringement is a civil, not a criminal issue for the courts. Specifically the harmed party has to complain for the law to take any action. In a case where the harmed party either wouldn't and doesn't care or doesn't exist, then you're taking a pretty extreme letter of the law over spirit of the law attitude.

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    Where does it say your not allowed to post links to pirate sites? I looked at the forum rules and it's not mentioned there. (not that I think you should be able to).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMaster View Post
    Not sure I agree. Copyright infringement is a civil, not a criminal issue for the courts. Specifically the harmed party has to complain for the law to take any action. In a case where the harmed party either wouldn't and doesn't care or doesn't exist, then you're taking a pretty extreme letter of the law over spirit of the law attitude.
    that's a bit like if tree falls and nobody is there to see it does it make sound or
    can you steal your neighbor cable if he is not there?

    how can we know whether tpb was asked to remove wizadry link? if they did not how is it different to abandonia?

    Furthermore: abandonia removes games if they are asked to remove them right? i know they say that. did anyone else confirmed that, someone not connected to them?

    nevertheless law is clear on that. they have no right to redistribute games. they do that. therefore they are breaking the law.

    Let's drop this tough. enough spam in this thread. I'll wait for mods decision and accept whatever i'll get.


    on topic:
    since what makes SMAC great was discuss in length I would like to quote one post which really shows why smac is great...

    Everyone seems to hate Miriam, one of the leaders, IDtenT has a very different take on her:

    "I personally feel that Miriam has the most sincere conviction in the entire game. She doesn't hate technology, she just hates the idea of post-humanism. She hates the idea of losing what it is that indeed makes us human to begin with. Her religious beliefs are secondary to her fear of losing our sense of self and what we are. In that way she's not even close to the "evil" fundamentalism that people try and paint her as. She's just using her religious convictions to empower her ideologies.

    The same can be said for any of characters. Morgan for instance is not a "evil" monopolist, he actually despises monopoly because it goes against the very core of what he believes in - progression via competition. They all have flaws and they all have strengths - they are all very much gray morally. That's the entire point of their characters, ideologies shape what they do, but there is no single all powerful "good" ideology.

    This game is just too rich on character to not be seen as anything but a masterpiece. Philosophy combined with semi-hard science is pretty much the pinnacle of the entertainment experience."

    Imo it perfectly shows how rich, deep the world of SMAC is with all those different characters. That made SMAC great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tei View Post
    I think is time to mail the RPS editors, and ask then for some moderators for the forums. While I think there are very good people here... not only I think that, but I have made some experiments that pretty much prove it,... .It seems the current crop of readers is too caustic, or corrosive, or something... and we make a bad forum. Posting virii, warez or porn is about the "final" thing you can do in a forum. You can't fall lower than that.

    I am a pro-freedom dude, and I have participated in a lot of forums withouth any moderation. The very idea that a forum may need moderation is alien to me. But seems some forums do need moderators.
    The dudes do occasionally come to mod the forums if you report it, though I believe we're still capable of largely self-policing. We really gotta stop posting warez sites, tho.

    Also, I hope you don't list me under "current crop of caustic, corrosive commentators," for I don't know if I could take the alliteration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    remove yours and then i remove mine.
    I only see links to Wikipedia

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    Downloading a copy of a game isn't infringing copyright material.

    Uploading is, so abandonware and that are legally fine, unless you rip them to discs and try and sell those discs...

    Remember, downloading != illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lejosh View Post
    Downloading a copy of a game isn't infringing copyright material.

    Uploading is, so abandonware and that are legally fine, unless you rip them to discs and try and sell those discs...

    Remember, downloading != illegal.
    You can't say what is legal or not, since people from all the world read RPS. Maybe in some country is ok!, but in others is not.

    Anyway wen you download something, you create a new copy. So it would be weird if copy-right laws are not affected.

    IANAL and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowthief skank View Post
    I only see links to Wikipedia
    He changed it after he reported me. which is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tei View Post
    You can't say what is legal or not, since people from all the world read RPS. Maybe in some country is ok!, but in others is not.

    Anyway wen you download something, you create a new copy. So it would be weird if copy-right laws are not affected.

    IANAL and all that.
    Well I can, if people are worried they should check the legislation themselves.

    Downloading once and keeping a copy for yourself isn't illegal... Distributing by uploading or to make a profit, is.

    *disclaimer, what I say is from personal experience after researching many things, if you doubt me, check for yourself. I'm not going to do the leg work for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lejosh View Post
    Well I can, if people are worried they should check the legislation themselves.
    No. People can't check the legislation. Laws are written in legal language, and you need years of training to understand the language. Normal people reading laws will misunderstond almost everything. It just not work. Or normal people will try to use common sense, and laws don't follow common sense ,but his own logic. On top of that, most legal text are convulated, hard to read, poorly indexed, etc.. just finding the appropiate article of articles would be prone to errors.

    You are talking to me, but you don't even know what country I am, or what are the legal system on my country. How can you know is legal or not in my country?.

    Also, sometimes something is "mysterious" until is tested by a judge. Before is tested by a judge everything are opinions, the best lawyer of the world is still a lawyer (and not a judge) and his opinions only opinions. The only opinion that matters is the one written by a judge on a sentence. Hence, sometimes you don't know what is kosher or not until you test it on trial.

    And we sould not talk about laws on the internet!.

    IANAL!.

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    Do you seriously believe what you just said?

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    so you guys all really liked Alpha Centuri then?
    i must check the manual for details on the Piracy and Abandonware research trees... it looks like they give the ability to destabilise society or something like that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog View Post
    so you guys all really liked Alpha Centuri then?
    i must check the manual for details on the Piracy and Abandonware research trees... it looks like they give the ability to destabilise society or something like that....
    Quote Originally Posted by squirrelfanatic View Post
    Back on topic?
    Shh, they can't hear you now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog View Post
    so you guys all really liked Alpha Centuri then?
    i must check the manual for details on the Piracy and Abandonware research trees... it looks like they give the ability to destabilise society or something like that....
    I think is a decent game on the Civ serie, but is the videos and techs and flavour that put it appart. Most Civ games lack flavour, so having one that has flavoir is SOMETHING. But it is also bloody obvious that the sci-fi quality of SMAC's is a rare event, something that you can't replicate. It just happened, was a happy accident, ...somewhere, some people did his work extremly well, and managed to make something gamers may remember forever.

    Ask everywhere, you will get always this answer. This is the second thread where some people ask this. So is a dupe, and thats why people has not taken it serius,.. dupes are not serius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tei View Post
    I think is a decent game on the Civ serie, but is the videos and techs and flavour that put it appart. Most Civ games lack flavour, so having one that has flavoir is SOMETHING. But it is also bloody obvious that the sci-fi quality of SMAC's is a rare event, something that you can't replicate. It just happened, was a happy accident, ...somewhere, some people did his work extremly well, and managed to make something gamers may remember forever.
    small question:

    since there are rumors about SMAC 2 and if they are true... you don't have much hope for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    small question:

    since there are rumors about SMAC 2 and if they are true... you don't have much hope for it?
    SMAC was inspired.

    SMAC2 seems more inspired by money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    SMAC was inspired.

    SMAC2 seems more inspired by money.
    smac is a bit of a niche product. There isn't big money there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    smac is a bit of a niche product. There isn't big money there...
    What's wrong with being a niche product?
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