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    Free To Play, Actually Worse Than We Imagined


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    Secondary Hivemind Nexus sinister agent's Avatar
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    Ayup. That's some hyperlink alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister agent View Post
    Ayup. That's some hyperlink alright.
    I'm too cool for a synopsis. Sorry.

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    Synopsis: mutant mice.
    Last edited by Mohorovicic; 29-08-2013 at 06:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohorovicic View Post
    Synopsis: mutant mice ruin everything.
    Your pith is most admirable. :)
    I think of [the Internet] as a grisly raw steak laid out on a porcelain benchtop in the sun, covered in chocolate hazelnut sauce. In the background plays Stardustís Music Sounds Better With You. Thereís lots of fog. --tomeoftom

    You ruined his point by putting it in context thatís cheating -bull0

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwathdring View Post
    Your pith is most admirable. :)
    Mohorovic is my alt. I used him to test the waters before I came here to troll. He was so popular I kept him around.

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    Don't listen to MoLAoS, he's just my alt who thinks he's the real thing.

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    Synopsis:
    It is the year 2135. A lone space marine is out to close a portal straight to Hell, opened by scientists who were descendants of the developers and marketing department who gave us "Free to Play" games. He fought against the demons, but he is the demons. And then he was a zombie.

    Serious Synopsis:
    Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that people keep saying is linked to pleasurable feedback encouraging people to keep seeking that stimulus despite the fact that neuroscience is complex, but hell podcasters know everything so screw it. It goes on to talk about dopamine and gaming, notably that studies suggest dopamine itself isn't directly involved in "liking" something (e.g. a patient with Parkinson's Disease, despite having problems with dopamine, can still like things or find enjoyment in things). Then they thought maybe it has a role in learning but that seems to be wrong too. It might however have something to do with motivations and desire to gain rewards.

    Conclusions that have been abstracted to include games and may raise dopamine levels and maybe prompt "desire for reward":
    - Unpredictable loot drops (thanks Valve for the random drops)
    - Meaningful, unusual or new rewards (thanks Valve for six billion weapons, cards, hats...)
    - Progression towards a reward encourages you to continue even if it's an illusion
    - Keeping what you already have
    - Large numbers (10xp to reach 100xp vs 1000xp to reach 10000xp)
    - Basically, games need to be designed to make you want to play it rather than just being fun or liked, presumably by offering rewards for play... if you want to be evil and if the dopamine theory is correct.

    The term "Free to play" doesn't appear in the article.
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    Soldant's Law - A person will happily suspend their moral values if they can express moral outrage by doing so.

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    Secondary Hivemind Nexus gwathdring's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohorovicic View Post
    Don't listen to MoLAoS, he's just my alt who thinks he's the real thing.
    What happens if I take the red pill?

    The term "Free to play" doesn't appear in the article.
    Had you reason to expect otherwise?
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    I think of [the Internet] as a grisly raw steak laid out on a porcelain benchtop in the sun, covered in chocolate hazelnut sauce. In the background plays Stardustís Music Sounds Better With You. Thereís lots of fog. --tomeoftom

    You ruined his point by putting it in context thatís cheating -bull0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohorovicic View Post
    Don't listen to MoLAoS, he's just my alt who thinks he's the real thing.
    I made him say this just to blow your mind. I'm clever like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soldant View Post
    The term "Free to play" doesn't appear in the article.
    Put the twist in spoilers. Asshole.

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    Please take a break from posting for a minute or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohorovicic View Post
    Don't listen to MoLAoS, he's just my alt who thinks he's the real thing.
    That sounds like the setup of a story by PK Dick, which would explain a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwathdring View Post
    Had you reason to expect otherwise?
    Well, yeah, since it appears in the subject of this thread. Then again I should have known better.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoLAoS View Post
    Put the twist in spoilers. Asshole.
    Speaking of which, do we have spoiler tags yet?

    [spoiler]No, we do not.[/spoiler]

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    Too cool to read the article. The only good ftp game is Company of Heroes: Online (cries a single solitary tear).

    Edit: Yeah, that was a pretty disappointing read. 37 references and 0 content. If you are going to use the subheader Conclusion but not actually provide a
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    If you are going to use the subheader Conclusion but not actually provide a
    Icwotudidthere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    Too cool to read the article. The only good ftp game is Company of Heroes: Online (cries a single solitary tear).
    I would highly disagree. The whole "metagame" of leveling units and hero squads was a stupid idea for an competitive RTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonkers View Post
    I would highly disagree. The whole "metagame" of leveling units and hero squads was a stupid idea for an competitive RTS.
    I agree completely, the levelling was crap and completely irrelevant after your first 4-5 matches. The good thing is they realised that the brits and panzer elite screwed up the balance and binned them.
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    I have not read the article.

    But the TL;DR seems that dopamine don't make things fun, make people expect a reward. That you can learn, have fun, etc.. without dopamine. This disconnect skinner box from fun. The birds in the skinner box are not (necessarily) having fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malawi Frontier Guard View Post
    Please take a break from posting for a minute or two.
    Not sure if understand joke.

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