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    The difference is that there exists plenty of 27" 1080p screens, but few 27" 720p screens (you'd be going into TV territory there). 1080p at 27" is okay, if not great.

    Then of course the 4K 24" actually would work just fine at 1080p. This is very different from stepping down to 540p, which is just so low resolution that you cannot effectively display certain things. 1080p is good enough for a lot of things.

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    It's still losing 75% of the resolution. That's unacceptable. Even more so considering the 4K is FAR more expensive.

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    I've never said it was ideal, but it's better than running a game on low.

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    For someone spending $1000+ on a monitor, neither is going to be acceptable.

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    anything above 22" that isnt offering a higher res than 1920x1080 isnt worth it, in my eyes. (literally)
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    I was just standing in an electronics store looking at the huge (and insanely expensive) top of the range TVs. And they had some 4K ones next to HD ones. And I couldn't tell any difference. I tried moving closer, stood there for 5 minutes like a muppet, etc... but I honestly couldn't spot the difference AT ALL. And these were ones running demo reels that, i guess, were supposed to demonstrate the difference. Can other people see the difference? I'm guessing a monitor might be different, due to sitting 2 feet from it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    I was just standing in an electronics store looking at the huge (and insanely expensive) top of the range TVs. And they had some 4K ones next to HD ones. And I couldn't tell any difference. I tried moving closer, stood there for 5 minutes like a muppet, etc... but I honestly couldn't spot the difference AT ALL. And these were ones running demo reels that, i guess, were supposed to demonstrate the difference. Can other people see the difference? I'm guessing a monitor might be different, due to sitting 2 feet from it?
    Are you sure the demo reel on the 4K TV was actually in 4K resolution? Stores are notorious for not setting up their TVs correctly...

    Or it could be that you just can't tell the difference -- hurrah, one less consumerist impulse to give into.

    For what it's worth, I think 1080p phone displays are a waste of time (and money, and battery).

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    I have no idea if it was set up correctly, but I would guess yes. This was about 3 hours ago, but I've seen several other similar 4k displays in stores around Tokyo, and have not been able to spot any discernible difference at any time. If you swapped the big 4K signs around, I personally wouldn't notice. (NB/ Not internet hyperbole. Not like 'I can't tell the difference between DVD and Blueray', which I probably said, but meant 'the difference isn't that noticeable from a distance unless you pay attention', but actually zero difference).

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    Maybe if you press your eye right up against the screen...

    4K is definitely a non-event at the moment so far as Normal People are concerned. Give it another 5 years or so and it'll slot into the market where 1080p is today. In the meantime it's just an excuse to fleece people who have too much money anyway, just like 3D a few years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tei View Post
    Comparing it to knackerd 19inch monitors is a bit unfair though. Personally I'm not sure I'd see much benefit over the 2 24inch monitors I use and I actually suspect having such a large display would make it more difficult to focus on the section of code I'm working on. Maybe web developers would get more out of it though.

    I'd benefit much more from being able to compile the game 4x faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    Give it another 5 years or so and it'll slot into the market where 1080p is today. In the meantime it's just an excuse to fleece people who have too much money anyway, just like 3D a few years back.
    Seems Sony CEO Kaz Hirai agrees:

    When asked about the company's 4K push in both content and technology, Hirai sees a slow climb to mainstream adoption. "How long did HD take?" Hirai asked, as he suggested mainstream adoption of 4K could take five to seven years. Sony doesn't see its 4K business as only for the mainstream, however — Hirai pointed out that early adopters are very much a part of its plans, and the need to get those adopters into retail stores to see the difference between HD and 4K is crucial to the selling process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moraven View Post
    Dell's IPS monitors are recommended time and time again from a lot of people.
    This is true, and as a long time user of Dell monitors, the reputation is well deserved. However, as always with these things, there is rarely a monitor that is totally 'good' or 'bad' - even the lacklustre big (24" or up) TN panels seem to have their market - so you should always get as clear as possible an idea of what it is you want to do with it. Unfortunately for some, 'e-mail and Facebook' is not a technical specification! I should therefore urge people looking to buy a Dell monitor to read some reviews. Monitors usually take up a big portion of a computer's budget, and it'd be a shame to be disappointed by it.

    The reason for this cautionary notice is that Dell's 2014 models that were released sometime last year seem to suffer from various problems - most notably Response Time Compensation (RTC) overshoot. Dell's response to people's complaints seems to boil down to 'we think it's better this way', and users are repeatedly reminded on Dell's forums that it is not in Dell's plans to allow users to adjust the strength of the overdrive effects. I was looking to purchase a monitor last summer, and luckily I was able to pick up one of the last remaining new 2011 models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tritagonist View Post
    I should therefore urge people looking to buy a Dell monitor to read some reviews. Monitors usually take up a big portion of a computer's budget, and it'd be a shame to be disappointed by it.
    It would also be a shame to get bogged down in highly specialist reviews from publications needing to justify their own continued existence if one's own needs are relatively modest. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of researching one's purchases, but it risks becoming a journey down the rabbit-hole where you wind up carefully weighing the pros and cons of esoterica you never previously considered and probably never will again. More than tending to push folks higher up the price curve, the research process itself imposes costs in terms of time and mental exhaustion.

    Just offering the other side of the coin. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    Just offering the other side of the coin. =)
    Definitely - it's a fair point, and I certainly did not become 'bogged down' when purchasing a €150-200 monitor for family.

    Like I said, it's important to first figure out what you want and why. As your requirements come into sharper focus, the specialist reviews will become helpful rather than daunting. If someone's requirements stop at 'Full HD and under €250' - and there's nothing wrong with that (other than the 16:9 format) - the specialist reviews will indeed offer little of value.
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    Such a shame that the $700 28" monitor is only 30hz, or I'd have been all over it :(

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