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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathPig View Post
    Is there a develeoper base for it, as I am not aware Windows released any kits for developers to start working on apps....
    The apps sector is ultimately what leaves Windows Phone 7 dead in the water. There's bugger all out there compared to Android, which is still behind compared to that monster iOS App Store. This thread was started in August last year, and since then nothing's changed. Unless you're really happy with what a WP7 phone comes with out of the box, it's not worth it.

    If you want an open platform, go Android. I went from an iPhone 4 to a Galaxy Note (caution: not recommending the Note in this instance) and by and large find it to be the better platform. That said at least Apple have a rule about no carrier bloat; I wish Samsung and company would stop dropping their bloat on devices, particularly with ICS devices when the default launcher is a lot nicer than friggin' TouchWiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathPig View Post
    Is the Windows OS restricting like Apples'? I really don't like the direction Microsoft have moved towards with Windows 8. Somehow, the view of the Matrix UI gets my blood surging. Anyway, is the phone really restrictive, and all apps paid for. Is there a develeoper base for it, as I am not aware Windows released any kits for developers to start working on apps....
    if you don't like Metro then I don't see why you would even consider a Windows Phone. That said, I also don't see why one wouldn't like Metro. When coupled with the general slickness of the OS it makes iOS and Android seem bloated and archaic to my eyes. It's pretty hilarious to see MS winning on design elegance and efficiency given their well-earned reputation, but there you have it.

    As for restrictions, like iOS there's no Flash or access to the underlying file system. In my experience the former is only an issue for porn, but the latter makes my life harder than it needs to be given that I no longer have a PC of my own for regular access to the Zune software (which seems decent enough and certainly preferable to iTunes) to shift media on and off. Docs/PDFs/etc. I handle via Skydrive which is integrated into the phone's MS Office suite. With future editions of Windows Phone switching to the Windows 8 kernel perhaps file system access will open up there too?

    In terms of apps my tastes are austere, but I've had no difficulty finding free apps that accomplish what I need them to accomplish. The only exception is Youtube -- Google doesn't provide a full-featured app for obvious reasons, and Microsoft's 'app' is just a glorified link to the mobile site. There's a third-party Youtube app that features full kitchen-sink functionality (including saving clips to local storage) but it's so ugly and cluttered and out of sync with the general elegance of the OS that I actually prefer to stick with MS' 'solution'.

    Nokia provides a pretty full featured app suite (Drive/Maps/Music/Reading/Transport ... and some other stuff that I don't have and can't recall off the top of my head) for their Windows Phones (i.e. the only ones worth considering) and they are of high quality. The 'mix radio' feature in Nokia Music is particularly noteworthy as it allows you to download any number of free mixes via wi-fi for offline use later.

    I have the Lumia 800. It's a very solid phone that feels great in the hand with some unique aesthetics that are obviously a matter of personal preference. It's not a perfect device in that it's lacking some of the features of the latest and greatest (some of which -- such as the lack of NFC and a front-facing camera --) ties back to the tightly controlled Windows Phone spec guidelines, and others which can be traced back to the fact that the phone is a very quick turn-around following Nokia's alliance with MS, it's basically new phone guts shoved into the casing of the N9 -- a phenomenal phone in its own right but alas dead in the water in the modern era -- which has made for some inefficiencies, such as the relatively large bezel.

    So, overall verdict: solid, unique device coupled with solid, unique OS. Whether it's worth a close look or not depends upon whether what's unique about the platform appeals to you or not. But these are early days for the partnership between Nokia and Microsoft and going by what they've managed to deliver with the first generation of devices under less-than-ideal conditions, I'm very interested to see what they come up with next.

    FYI for all that the Lumia 800/900 are the flagships for Windows Phone in the west, and the transition to the Windows 8/WindowsRT kernel the focus of MS' development efforts, much of their attention at the moment is actually on the low-end: Windows Phone 7.6 (Tango) is focused on improving performance on phones with a mere 256MB of RAM, and most of the marketing dollars are going to India and China.
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    If you end up getting an iPhone, I must insist you jailbreak it, it'll take your phone from being one of the most restricted, to one of the most open platforms there is. When I first did it I was astounded by the home brew and other just fantastic things you can do. I mean my phone is also a gameboy! But it can be practical too, you can access the phones sub systems and crest wifi hotspots and the like. And if you don't like the look of iOS you can customise until your heart's content, you can even make it look just like a Windows 7 phone.
    I don't mean to sound like an advert, but really is great.

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    I already own an iPod, and it is already jailbroken. Therefore, I'm not really inclined to experience "the most advanced OS" all over again.

    As for Rii, thank you. I found your post really informative. I went and tried out the Lumina, and I'm frankly surprised. I expected to see delays, hangs, and whatnot. But the phone I sampled performed beautifully. It had some issues with the browser, though the sales person told me it would clear up when using a brand new phone. Bit I did feel the phone is thick, and the shape to be somewhat awkward, when comparing it to the other phones. Liked it overall though. However, that said, I think I will opt for Android in the end, because, like I said, I do not like the Metro interface at all, and also, the Lumina is expensive.

    iOS is definitely out of the question, as I don't really want two devices running the same OS, with the exception that one has the functionality of a phone, wifi hotspot, etc. while the other does not. And also, the 4S is obscenely overpriced over here. The Galaxy Note,S3 and its' contemporaries the HTC One X, and Sony Xperia S, go for like 30k-37k INR (Indian Rupees), the Lumina costs 30k, while the 4S costs a whopping 45k. Which is around 820$ for the 16 GB version. And that is without contract. If I'm not wrong, the iPhone starts from 200$ in the US without contract. So you can see it is way out of my means. Also, I'm pretty sure it's not worth getting a phone which is priced more than your average desktop, because that is just plain stupid.

    On the other hand the One V goes for like 16-17k depending on where you buy it from. Plus decent video cards cost around 15-20K. And because I have to buy both, AND have something remaining in my account, the phones you guys said are out of bounds for me.

    And @Rii, you're right. But the low end Windows phones, though cheaper, have appalling performance ratings when compared to others in their class.


    So it looks like I'll have to opt for the phones I short listed. Now I just have to find one in the three, with lesser evils.

    Thanks guys, you helped alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathPig View Post
    As for Rii, thank you. I found your post really informative. I went and tried out the Lumina, and I'm frankly surprised. I expected to see delays, hangs, and whatnot. But the phone I sampled performed beautifully. It had some issues with the browser, though the sales person told me it would clear up when using a brand new phone.
    Yeah. I haven't had any issues with the browser -- I mean, it crashes once in a blue moon, but then so does every other browser I've ever used. Like Android's (recent or forthcoming, I can't remember) integration of the Chrome browser, I suspect that the future integration of the Windows Phone with the broader Windows ecosystem will bring benefits in this respect.

    Bit I did feel the phone is thick, and the shape to be somewhat awkward, when comparing it to the other phones. Liked it overall though.
    It is a bit thicker than most phones these days, and yeah the shape and overall construction is rather unique. I personally find it very comfortable to hold, but I do wish there was some kind of payoff for the extra thickness and bezel, such as a wider feature set (the N9 had a front-facing camera and NFC!) or larger battery or screen (3.9-4 inches) in the same size shell. Or even just a lower price given that the Lumia 800/900 get away with a single-core CPU and 512MB RAM whereas comparable Android phones are sporting at least dual cores and 1GB RAM. The bezel/screen ratio on the Lumia 800 isn't awful, probably better than the iPhone 4S, but lags noticeably behind the latest generation of Android phones. But yeah, those things are a result of the factors I noted above: the (now borderline outdated, at least for high-end devices) specs MS fixed for Windows Phone 7/7.5 devices and Nokia re-using the N9 design to get such a quick turn-around after entering into the partnership with Microsoft. Incidentally the Lumia 900 is better in this respect: less bezel, thinner, and a couple other minor refinements such as improved USB/SIM access.

    If I were buying a phone today I think the Sony Xperia S would be close to the top of my list, but I'm glad for the opportunity to sample the Windows Phone platform and look forward to seeing where MS and Nokia go next.

    And @Rii, you're right. But the low end Windows phones, though cheaper, have appalling performance ratings when compared to others in their class.
    Hah, I didn't notice that you're from India. And yeah, that's why for 7.6 they're focused on improving performance on lower-spec hardware. Apparently they've had to make a few sacrifices to get there, such as a reduction in the number of "live agents" which affects multi-tasking and live tile capabilities, but it sounds like they've made some real improvements too. Not sure how much the release is going to bring for higher end phones like the Lumia 800/900 tho...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathPig View Post





    Too expensive. I need to get a phone, and a new video card, as both are running on their last vestiges of their life right now. So no, not the S3, which will cost like 2X the phones I've shortlisted. But I am aware the phone is pretty good. You can't miss those huge "designed for humans" hoardings all around town.


    (ignore me, didn't realise you weren't in the UK)
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    If a nice camera is your top priority you will be disappointed by Android and iPhone alike. Megapixels aside (some phones have 12 megapixel cameras), the lenses are poor and there is often an interminable delay between you thinking you'd like to take a picture and the picture actually being taken. If you are used to SLR cameras I don't think you'll find a phone camera you will be pleased with.

    My Samsung Galaxy Nexus does a good job of taking photos the moment I press the shutter button because the camera app takes constant video and simply grabs a frame when you press the button. Some Windows Phone 7 models have a dedicated hardware button for taking pictures which saves valuable seconds. The new Blackberry OS takes 10-odd pictures with each button press and allows you to save the most flattering one, or even superimpose a face from one of the consecutive frames onto the body of another. iPhone probably has the highest quality cameras. All phones have a lousy flash, if any, which will turn your photos yellow and sickly.

    Weigh your priorities and try before you buy. Your best bet might be an internet-enabled camera - it's less portable but will guarantee image quality.
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    For what it's worth, Wired just ran a big camera review special (not online, sadly) that placed the iPhone camera on the top of the (phonecam) heap.

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    I find it difficult to believe that anything other than Nokia's 808 Pureview with its 41 megapixel camera is on top of the heap in the picture taking department. I know that pixels aren't everything, but 41 million of them are certainly something. And in deference to male measurement throughout the ages, the bit-wot-takes-the-pictures is bloody huge. So I think that settles it.

    EDIT: Apparently it does indeed take the pictures real good.
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    Just posting what I read this afternoon.

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    Well I hope you've learned your lesson: never read stuff.

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    I have a Galaxy S II. I think it takes rather lovely pictures. I don't see much reason to buy the Galaxy Nexus unless those extra pixels are really important to you.

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    Not really. I already own a decent camera, and I rarely use my on-phone camera either. It's just for one of those times when I don't have a camera with me, and something awesome is going on. Otherwise I'm cool.

    Right now, nearly decided on the HTC One V. Of the three, the performance stats are better in this one. And it comes with ICS loaded on it by default, so no pesky upgrading.

    Any thing I should look out for when using these new models? Like Anti-virus? Browsers? Tools? I don't use my iPod much, it's just for games,music, and books.

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    What do you plan to use your phone for? If you're anything like me you probably won't be prepared to answer this question until you already own one, but you probably will never need your iPod again once you have a smartphone. I listen to music on mine and play games, but what surprised the heck out of me is that I've read 8 books on my phone! Reading is comfortable thanks to my Samsung Galaxy Nexus' large (4.65"), high resolution (720x1280) screen, though my next phone might be an even larger one like the Galaxy Note.

    Don't worry about apps because almost everything works on ICS regardless of phone model. If you don't know what you want yet I'd look at the specs for each phone (size, battery, reviews, and google the phone name plus the word "sucks" to see what comes up) and see what accessories are available (cases, stands, Hello Kitty rhinestones, etc).

    Also be advised that ICS is reliant on the GPU as much as the CPU so don't be scared off by phones with slower processor speeds. In the ICS developer preferences is an option to accelerate 2D applications with the 3D GPU which will either give you screamingly fast performance or will break the app entirely, but this can be toggled easily.

    Try before you buy!! These things are expensive and you don't want to regret your purchase! Try to visit a store with many models on display. HTC is a very reputable manufacturer so you will probably be happy with the one you're considering.

    I'm excited for you! :) I was ambivalent when I bought my first smartphone and was very surprised at how much I adored the thing. It's like having a Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy in your pocket!

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    Anyone know if the HTC ChaCha is any good? It's the only android with qwerty I can get with my upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbriandamage View Post
    What do you plan to use your phone for? If you're anything like me you probably won't be prepared to answer this question until you already own one, but you probably will never need your iPod again once you have a smartphone. I listen to music on mine and play games, but what surprised the heck out of me is that I've read 8 books on my phone! Reading is comfortable thanks to my Samsung Galaxy Nexus' large (4.65"), high resolution (720x1280) screen, though my next phone might be an even larger one like the Galaxy Note.

    Don't worry about apps because almost everything works on ICS regardless of phone model. If you don't know what you want yet I'd look at the specs for each phone (size, battery, reviews, and google the phone name plus the word "sucks" to see what comes up) and see what accessories are available (cases, stands, Hello Kitty rhinestones, etc).

    Also be advised that ICS is reliant on the GPU as much as the CPU so don't be scared off by phones with slower processor speeds. In the ICS developer preferences is an option to accelerate 2D applications with the 3D GPU which will either give you screamingly fast performance or will break the app entirely, but this can be toggled easily.

    Try before you buy!! These things are expensive and you don't want to regret your purchase! Try to visit a store with many models on display. HTC is a very reputable manufacturer so you will probably be happy with the one you're considering.

    I'm excited for you! :) I was ambivalent when I bought my first smartphone and was very surprised at how much I adored the thing. It's like having a Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy in your pocket!
    I see. So I need not worry about older apps for Android 2.3 or so, not working on ICS? That's a relief, because I've already shortlisted some must use apps. Also, I really don't want to use my iPod that much. I'm pretty sure it's screen has a problem.

    It started when I played Infinity Blade II for like 5 hours straight, the Pod on a charger. And at the end of this session, apart from weird short sightedness, I noticed a small red line from the middle of my iPod to the exact centre of the rectangular screen. And this kind of flickered.

    Also, when witching the Pod off and on really quickly, the screen has an odd sort of flicker all over it, making it unusable. Otherwise it's all good. I can use it for everything, just have to take care not to use it for like 3 hours straight with the screen on.

    That's why I'm choosing HTC. From my research on the net, I've come to a conclusion that their phones are a bit sturdier, and build quality is better.

    Also the One V has 512 MB or RAM, 1 GHz Snap-Dragon and Adreno 220 GPU. Not really worried about the games the phone can support. I just want to know, if I can use a 16GB, or 32 GB memory card on the phone without it slowing down horribly. And approximately 8 GB will be apps, the rest will be music, storage, and the occasional high-res porn flick. Will this affect performance in a huge way, making me stick to 2 or three 8 GB cards, or should I go ahead with a 16 GB when I buy it? Just asking now because I'll get a discount on the card, maybe even free, if I get it with the phone.

    And even though you don't know, as the Nexus has a plastic body, should I get a cover for it? It has a brushed aluminium body, so I'm not really sure it'll get scratched. And because it has Corning Gorilla glass, I don't need any screen protectors either..or do I?

    Sorry about the mediocre queries, but just want to be on the safe side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
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    I tried it along with the One V. Did not go in-depth as I just wanted to try out the One V and the One X.

    From my enlightening 2-3 minute use, I felt it was kind of weird. It'll be better if you go for a full touch screen model around the same price range, as there are many available. The phone is not really that good looking, and felt kind of clunky. But it's just my opinion, and you should go try it out on your own before you come to any conclusions.
    Although the salesman did say that it was one of the less popular models.

    Imho, instead of ChaCha, you should just get a BlackBerry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathPig View Post
    I see. So I need not worry about older apps for Android 2.3 or so, not working on ICS? That's a relief, because I've already shortlisted some must use apps. Also, I really don't want to use my iPod that much. I'm pretty sure it's screen has a problem.
    Compatibility is MOSTLY good in this case. Some apps don't work on newer or older versions of the OS than intended, and the unfortunate fact is that ICS is only used by about 5% of Android devices right now so it's not considered the compatibility benchmark.

    That's why I'm choosing HTC. From my research on the net, I've come to a conclusion that their phones are a bit sturdier, and build quality is better.
    I've heard the same, and can confirm that my Galaxy Nexus feels light and a little cheap due to it being all plastic, though it's proven to be sturdy enough.

    Also the One V has 512 MB or RAM, 1 GHz Snap-Dragon and Adreno 220 GPU. Not really worried about the games the phone can support. I just want to know, if I can use a 16GB, or 32 GB memory card on the phone without it slowing down horribly. And approximately 8 GB will be apps, the rest will be music, storage, and the occasional high-res porn flick. Will this affect performance in a huge way, making me stick to 2 or three 8 GB cards, or should I go ahead with a 16 GB when I buy it? Just asking now because I'll get a discount on the card, maybe even free, if I get it with the phone.
    To my knowledge an SD card won't slow you down whatsoever, unless you move your apps to run off the SD card. A requirement of the Android OS is that system apps and onscreen widgets must be installed on the onboard memory to ensure quick boot times. I don't think the presence or size of an SD card will affect your performance in any way.

    And even though you don't know, as the Nexus has a plastic body, should I get a cover for it? It has a brushed aluminium body, so I'm not really sure it'll get scratched. And because it has Corning Gorilla glass, I don't need any screen protectors either..or do I?
    I got this $35 case from Otter Box which is very sturdy but a little bit bulky and heavy. It came with a screen protector but I don't feel I need one with such a rugged case.

    Sorry about the mediocre queries, but just want to be on the safe side.
    Ask away! Better to have too much info than too little.

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    Best cheap smart phone available in the UK currently is the Huawei G300, currently runs Android 2.3.6 but will be upgradable to ICS when Huawei gets around to releasing a build of it. Spec wise it's as good as the phones that were top of the range last year.

    1Ghz Processor
    2.5Gb built in memory
    4" Gorilla Glass screen
    Up to 32Gb SD card slot.
    Easily unlocked and rooted.
    Starting to gather good community support.

    And the price, a mere 100 on Vodafone PAYG. It's a good solid hefty build too.

    http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobi...ei-ascend-g300

    http://www.modaco.com/forum/650-huaw...g300modacocom/
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    Mighty bump.

    Ordered the One V, and it's on the way. Thx guyz.

    And btw, are all Andriod apps this small? Anything I've seen has not gone over 10 MB, and some of them dominate the <1MB realm. Or are these just apps for some smaller phones like the Galaxy Y, which have low resolutions?

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    Yup, they are that small. The biggest one on my phone is Facebook (14,4MB), another one is Endomondo (7MB) and Google Play (6ish).

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