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21-05-2015, 12:00 PM #601
Do I never feel emotions or have opinions on anything until you've seen it to the end? Of course I do. I felt emotions when I saw that scene. However my emotions were for the characters in the scene and not for the production of the scene, particularly because I know there's more to come.
21-05-2015, 12:04 PM #602Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish
But this last scene? It doesn't show that attitude at all. It's mediocre.
21-05-2015, 12:11 PM #603
Not everyone whose sexual liberal on the show is going to use their sexy fun times to establish power in a nice way.
21-05-2015, 12:33 PM #604
i dont think the rape scenes are out of context and for pure shock value only. they make sense in the light of the characters involved and shape them further.
Even if they set up these scenes to spice up the whole thing to add shock value, i dont think its bad writing if people are emotionally touched in one way or another and if their attention is directed in some of the darker regions of the protagonists personal history.
to me its like oberyn getting his head smashed, its extreme to some degree with room for deeper analyses. but we should not forget that this is a tv show made to entertain the audience. it delivers extreme acts of violence across the board. if you are not entertained by it, if you feel offended, if you think its cheezy or badly written... i think you know the answer.
of the many tv shows there are, GoT is certainly not a cheaply written one.
@grizzly as i said before, the rape scene is not about sex, its about violence and power. you mix two very different things here. what you seem to criticize is a "GoT just uses sex to get attention" and you end up mixing things that do not really connect. in my opinion the naked people and the nakedness is displayed very natural. the perception of some viewers, is strange though. they seem to think, you dont have to show things to know they happen. cmon this is Game of Thrones... this show is explicit and direct, what the hell do you expect?
the sexual violence is part of some characters like ramsey or joffrey. they are simply in a position some real life examples have used quite similar. i think it serves the purpose to show explicitly what kind of extreme people they really are. if you think its a higher art to cover things up or that images should only develop in the viewers mind, that is your opinion. i dont mind things to be shown explicitly. the images created that way, give room for interpretation and deepen the characters in the case of GoT.
if you watch a show like GoT for sexual arousal and feel offended in the face of sexual violence, you are simply immature. GoT is about character development and the story it tells. thats the reason i like it and watch it. i couldnt care less about nakedness and the use of it. its not the driving force of the show.
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21-05-2015, 01:11 PM #605
What I hoped for was some sign of continuing Sansa's growth as a character and showing designs of her own, which in fairness we got a glimpse of in the bath scene, but then it was back to meekly accepting her fate and hoping others would save her.
In Dany's case her arranged marriage to Khal Drogo is the stepping stone from which she grows as a character, the first point on her journey from powerless to powerful. When I saw it in the show I had already read the books, but yes, when I read the book I found a lot of those chapters difficult to get through and I was doubting if the author really had much to offer beyond shock value and violence. The books do however have the enormous advantage of being much more fleshed out and letting you follow the inner thoughts of the characters themselves which helps a lot with making character developments and motivations clear to the reader.
21-05-2015, 01:43 PM #606
There's literally a female character whose the Russian version of the super duper special army men, and she shows up after a mission with a bottle of vodka to have sex with one of the army men in a classy hotel room. It's all done very un-naturally and purely because they want to keep people watching when there's not chasing, fighting or explosions.
@Skal: The article that Kad posted does a pretty good job of explaining why Sansa had no other play at the time in the scene. You're right that her simple acceptance to go along with Littlefingers plan seems pretty stupid, but I (as a person who hasn't read the books) wonders if that will lead into something further down the line for her. Is she going to escape, will she reclaim the North, will she take revenge on Littlefinger? I'm not willing to just write off the story as it is now as being bad just because it hasn't all been presented to me.
21-05-2015, 02:32 PM #607
I was watching the episode with a friend (who doesn't follow GoT) and as soon as it was clear the wedding was taking place I told her that "ouch, this is going to be bad", so it's not as if the last scene was a big surprise in itself. I wasn't expecting Sansa to suddenly backflip and kick Ramsay out of a window and I knew Theon wouldn't intervene. Had they at least spent some time showing Sansa actually trying to accomplish something before the wedding, even if it failed and the outcome was the same, then the whole thing wouldn't have felt so cheap.
I'm fairly certain they will try to do something more interesting with that branch of the story (the alternative of just following Jeyne's story is just too ghastly), I suppose I just have less faith that they'll make it good and meaningful.
21-05-2015, 02:42 PM #608
21-05-2015, 03:57 PM #609From my understanding of the books, he split the same timeline into two books, one book each exclusively following specific characters?
And I agree with both Jesus and Skalpadda here: The way the episodes are currently structured doesn't allow for any fleshing out; a problem that rears it's ugly head when GoT displays mature topics. I think I'll stop here though, because I am sounding like a broken record at this point :-p
21-05-2015, 05:01 PM #610
21-05-2015, 05:41 PM #611
Trying to somehow bend criticism of poor character motivation into being slut shaming for the results of that bad writing is also an extraordinarily dishonest bit of sophistry from the author there.
21-05-2015, 07:12 PM #612
Thinking of Dany and her brother it was covered and short term stuff. Yes she made baratheon shit himself (that's ages ago:0 ) after becoming queen, she still makes practical mistakes and will never get a king (he'd probably die for the third time counting her brother as number one), things changed on a macro level in time. Can't see Sansa lasting as long since she doesn't have a past with poisons big enough to become a killer and she can't really force anyone to spare people in exchange of a night with her (to actually use sex as weapon, Idk if ramsey has fallen in love, I read he raped her). I stopped watching at ep4 but I thought there was something going on with little finger? It's a soap
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21-05-2015, 07:32 PM #613
21-05-2015, 07:40 PM #614
How do you know this? For all we know Sansa will have a boy and subsequently remove or have removed the Boltons from the picture, likely with help from everyone in the north not directly beholden to the Boltons. She has already been promised support by people within Winterfell. She can then raise this child as a Stark and not a Bolton and avenge her murdered family.
I don't see it as utterly lunatic given that she likely believes she'll get assistance from Littlefinger and the people of the Vale, many of whom have some loyalty to the Stark family through Sansa's aunt and cousin (certainly more than to Littlefinger). We know Littlefinger has (at least professed) other plans, but Sansa does not know this.
And no, I don't know that any of this will happen, which is why I withhold judgment until the situation in the North is resolved (if ever).
As others have said here it's a bit premature to write her off (as use of the word surrender most certainly does). I don't see it as Sansa losing any agency, I see it as her finally taking her place in the Game.
21-05-2015, 07:57 PM #615
Yesterday, 01:18 AM #616
Sometimes I wonder but I always forget to ask, what does "burn them all" mean? Does it refere to eggs or what?
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Yesterday, 02:18 PM #617
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I was going to post again last night, but I think it's just rehashing the same points at this point. I think Fumarole, Jesus and Kadayi have pretty much summed up my views.
I find it odd that people are judging what happened based mostly on their own idea of what sansa's story arc was "supposed to be".
Today, 12:20 PM #618
Regardless of the argument made however, please do not go "Case closed" on people, it gets awfully close to backseat moderation.