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    On Mosquito Buzzers & Prejudice (Split from RPS Moderation)

    Mod Note: Sorry to hijack your post, Lethe, but some context is neccesary. This line of posts was originally in the RPS moderation thread as a reaction to the closure of a previous thread. I (and the rest of the RPS moderation) feel that the thread was closed with good reason, but the complaint in the Moderation thread actually sparked some rather interesting responses which I felt deserved it's own audience.

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    It is disappointing that the mods felt it necessary to clamp down upon my admittedly unbridled speculations. That young males are disproportionately involved in (which is not necessarily to say responsible for) many societal ills is a fact that, apparently, does not bear polite examination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    It is disappointing that the mods felt it necessary to clamp down upon my admittedly unbridled speculations. That young males are disproportionately involved in (which is not necessarily to say responsible for) many societal ills is a fact that, apparently, does not bear polite examination.
    It may not necessarily be a bad topic (though I confess I haven't looked terribly closely at it) but it does seem to be something that is likely to spiral into badness on this forum. It's probably best that it was nipped in the bud.

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    Mosquito sound: The Game.

    I managed to get to level 3. After that I don't hear anything. Supposedly you can use this sound to scare youngers, so if you have a shop and the youngers camp on the entrance, you can play this sound to make them go away somewhere else, to do drugs and make sex like rabits, no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tei View Post


    Mosquito sound: The Game.

    I managed to get to level 3. After that I don't hear anything. Supposedly you can use this sound to scare youngers, so if you have a shop and the youngers camp on the entrance, you can play this sound to make them go away somewhere else, to do drugs and make sex like rabits, no doubt.
    Wait a sec. 30kHz is over half of the sampling rate of that file (44.1kHz). Nyquist said that's impossible, you can't store that sound without aliasing. Just another load of hogwash.
    Also, why is this in this thread?
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    @Tei, probably your equipment: I can hear the vibration from them damn coils in the voltage regulation section of my motherboard and a lot of people older than me have similar trouble with other equipment, try any quiet computing forum.

    I get up to 17 kHz in that video, and repeated the experiment using the tone generator in Audacity, getting up to 16 kHz. I doubt YT supports the sampling rate required for a 25 kHz tone though (Nyquist and all that), most cards support up to 48 kHz.

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    Also, why is this in this thread?
    I think it's a (partially?) ironic reply to the thread Lethe started about young (15-25) people.

    edit2: this one.
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    Supposedly you can use this sound to scare youngers, so if you have a shop and the youngers camp on the entrance, you can play this sound to make them go away somewhere else, to do drugs and make sex like rabits, no doubt.
    It's not scaring, it's bloody opressive. I lived in a rather well-off neighbourhood for a year or two and a few people had those things installed, but you can hear the sound from several houses away. And it's a *really* bad sound, it's one of those headache inducing frequencies played at a high volume so you can feel the pressure on your eardrums. They made my regular evening/night walks to the dike extremely uncomfortable. Eventually it felt as if someone was pushing his fingers into my eardrums - literally. As in, my brain started producing the hormones that give you the urge, strenght and will to physically defend yourself against someone who is invading your personal living space in a really bad way (by, for example, pushing his fingers into your eardrums).

    I found a route by sneaking around the block entirely trough a path some kids had made trough the shrubs - It did make the midnight walks a lot more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
    my brain started producing the hormones that give you the urge, strenght and will to physically defend yourself against someone who is invading your personal living space in a really bad way
    And how many people did you maul in the end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    It is disappointing that the mods felt it necessary to clamp down upon my admittedly unbridled speculations. That young males are disproportionately involved in (which is not necessarily to say responsible for) many societal ills is a fact that, apparently, does not bear polite examination.
    Forgetting that blanket statements about entire genders - across space, time, culture and polity - is perhaps the worst way to introduce a topic, but on top of that the argument actually proposed by you was patently specious, sufficing as it did on damned lies and statistics. Yeah, you can say that most murderers are men, most rapists are men, most terrorists are, funny enough, middle-class college-educated men, and yet you can turn around and say most murder victims are men, most draftees are men, most of the homeless are men, and most day laborers are men. But the question is, what exactly are you trying to say?

    You have to go back and look at your thesis if you wanna break into such a misbegotten topic as gender politics. If you start it by saying "men are good for nothing but lifting shit and getting into fights," yeah, people are going to (rightly) tell you to shut the fuck up, and nobody but you is to blame for such a hostile reaction, because it's exactly the sort of misandry misogynists really want to glom onto as the source of all their problems. That is not to say the topic itself cannot be broached, or that we cannot have a productive discussion about it. For instance, here is how I would have started discussion on such a topic:

    SEXISM HURTS MEN TOO, A STORY BY NALANO™

    Let's start by making a particularly controversial statement: The economic downturn hurts women more, as women on the whole have a more tenuous grasp on job security and career paths, but it devastates men's self-perceived social value. The reason I see this as happening is because of the ironically chivalrous and paternalist mantra that men must be the primary if not sole providers for their loved ones, and that if a man can't do such, that man has no value, no use, no pride and no face.

    People do stupid shit when they're desperate, and I've seen more than a few fights start between hoods (/rats, /lums) over hyper-sensitivity to any perceived slight to their honor, character and pride because they mostly spend their days chasing after this or that hustle while living with their parents or extended families - no jobs, no futures, no achievable goals. When your status is relegated to something that low, everything becomes a major insult, every act potentially impugns whatever self-image you've built up, because society and its inherent biases said you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing.

    All those stats about violence tend to correlate with stats about unemployment, and the young male demographic you sought to indict tend to be the hardest-hit when it comes to chronic unemployment. It's the same reason so many otherwise mild-mannered, educated men end up being suicide bombers: Because they simply fail to see a future for themselves, in a society that has deemed them useless and effectively disposable. One of the most positive correlations is that they're unemployed and unattached. See also street gangs in America - again it's unemployment, and the related loss of status which is unfortunately often seen as unachievable elsewhere for men.

    There was a sociological study done in an Indian reservation over the disproportionate number of children diagnosed with mental illnesses (usually of the emotional type) in what were effectively some of the most desperately poor counties in America. Then, halfway through the study, tribal authorities got the right to build a casino if they distributed a portion of the profits to every family in the rez, and every family got an extra six grand a year - y'know, the exact sort of direct-cash payments social work agencies are extremely loathe to do. All of a sudden, half the children's mental illnesses disappeared.

    Why? Because it took the crippling psychological burden off the providers, who were then able to parent more effectively - whether it's to be able to go out as a family more, to buy the children gifts during the holidays, or simply not have to worry about bills for a month. It made a world of difference, not only with the children but also with the health of the relationships of their parents. The primary stressor was removed, especially for the person whose perceived role it is to provide.

    This very same issue has at times been misdirected against women as competitors in the job market (a flawed and wrong zero sum argument) and been decried by MRAs as the cause of a general feeling of emasculation: They are unable to meet the perceived gender role that has been imposed upon them, even if that role is outdated and flawed.

    See? Now that's a way to point to a problem - sexism and gender roles - without indicting an entire fucking gender.
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    Eh the world is shit. People will react to that irritably at times best to just forgive and forget rather than have the conversation over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
    It's not scaring, it's bloody opressive. I lived in a rather well-off neighbourhood for a year or two and a few people had those things installed, but you can hear the sound from several houses away.
    A few local businesses use them , I must have looked after my ears better than some of my peers because I can hear them easily and at a great distance and I'm 29, I tell them the sound upsets me and my children, then I stop taking my business there.
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    Nice links and commentary Nalano, I guess I find much of the narrative about men and how men reason 'othering' because I'm a primary parent to 3 kids (2 with variations of autistic spectrum disorder) and I take my sense of self from that. Being out of work as a man was more distressing than being out of work as a dedicated parent. I guess many primary parent mums who are out of work feel a similar shield from a sense of inadequacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    I guess many primary parent mums who are out of work feel a similar shield from a sense of inadequacy.
    I had a surprisingly constructive conversation with a Rockefeller Republican in an Irish pub on the West Side at one point, where he was talking about the large number of single-mother households in the Black community, as a moral failing on the part of the race - though he typified it in slightly less direct words than that.

    I pointed out that when economic times are hard, people tend to put off marriage later as marriage is at heart an economic contract; one that requires financial stability and independence. I made the argument that poor, young men run out when they knock women up because they're afraid of a commitment they cannot yet afford, and if they didn't view it as a yoke they could ill bear, they'd be more likely to stay put and do the right thing. He asked if I proposed that we as a society should pay men to be faithful. I replied that we pay men to be a host of many worse things than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    marriage is at heart an economic contract; one that requires financial stability and independence.
    I agree with the stability part, less the independence. There was a statistic(sorry google fu failed me) somewhere about social unrest being inversely correlated to the size of the average family unit, huge rungs of single people are more likely to riot and protest than family units I guess, I'd bridge that logic and suggest that the converse is true and that family units form more easily when people feel less unrest, whatever the form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    I agree with the stability part, less the independence. There was a statistic(sorry google fu failed me) somewhere about social unrest being inversely correlated to the size of the average family unit, huge rungs of single people are more likely to riot and protest than family units I guess, I'd bridge that logic and suggest that the converse is true and that family units form more easily when people feel less unrest, whatever the form.
    Financial independence and singledom are not the same thing. While we like to equate financial independence with leaving one's parents' home, that's not the same as being unpaired. After all, one of the primary benefits of leaving the nest is the space and privacy to find a partner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    Financial independence
    Oh, sorry, i assumed you meant independence in the general social sense, I didn't carry the "Financial" over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
    It's not scaring, it's bloody opressive. I lived in a rather well-off neighbourhood for a year or two and a few people had those things installed, but you can hear the sound from several houses away.
    Do you not have noise ordinances where you live? There is no way this would be legal in my city!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerothorn View Post
    Do you not have noise ordinances where you live? There is no way this would be legal in my city!
    The problem is that noise ordinances are usually related to the total volume of the sound. If the volume of the sound produced by a mosquito stays under the legal limit, it's a lot harder to do something about it. If one was installed in my neighbourhood, within earshot of my home, I'd probably destroy it on a quiet night.
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    Heya. I took the liberty of "liberating" these posts from the RPS moderation thread and giving them their own space, as I felt that some of the discussion raised here is rather interesting and would do far better in their own thread rather then in a thread that is usually reserved for grumblings.

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    Those horrible high pitched thingies are obnoxious and unpleasant, both in terms of their sound and what they represent. Perhaps the people installing them don't realize they are shouting HEY YOUNG PERSON WE HATE YOU at everyone who can hear them.

    My parents once tried a similar device that was supposed to scare away cats. No cats were scared, but it gave me the most unpleasant summer ever.
    Irrelevant on further examination of the rest of the thread.

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