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    Just watched Sumbmarine, it was quite good and had a good soundtrack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndelNurk View Post
    I think Serenity's most important point is that it demonstrates how nasty the Alliance are in that universe. Throughout the series, the crew of Firefly tend to be acting illegally by Alliance laws if not actually in direct action against the Alliance. Serenity goes some way to justifying that. It also finishes off the strange River Tam story which didn't really have enough time to get very far in one season of TV shows. I don't think I enjoyed Serenity first time round, then I watched Firefly and had a much better time when I came back to it.

    I recently saw Charlie Wilson's War which randomly popped up from LoveFilm. I found it a very interesting film and provides some interesting context to recent events.


    Seems interesting alright, I'll have a look for it... Tom Hanks though. I really hate Tom Hanks.
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    Just watched Children of Men. Amazing film, one of the few which has managed to use "shakycam" well. Its also one of the most atmospheric and well realised dystopic scenarios I've ever come across in a film.
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    Just watched Source Code, Duncan Jones is definitely on my To watch whatever he makes despite not knowing what the hell its about just because he's a really good Director List along with Guillmo Del Toro and David Fincher. This was a really good movie i have to say, nice little sci-fi in it, it definitely grabs your attention and never lets go it has a lot of philosophical and touching moments and to be honest I didn't mind the kind of schmultzy ending because i thought it deserved it. Also it was a films based around smarts and a very old conceit of a bomb being on a train and trying to stop another one with a modern twist. The ending could have a dark edge to it, if you think about it it does but to be honest the happy ending is about right as well. So yeah definitly recommend it, and can't wait till whatever this Director does next.

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    I recently bought the first three Pirates of the Caribbeans movies on Blu-Ray.
    The films are still very entertaining, but what pleasantly surprised me is the quality of the bonus materials. It's not just some promotional featurettes slapped on the disc like we see with too many films, but hours of backstage sequences that show to ups and downs of the production. It's not quite as exhaustive as the LotR bonuses but it's the closest I've seen in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph-Sulphur View Post
    Just watched Children of Men. Amazing film
    Totally agree with that, this is a must-see.

    I watched Tracker (with Ray Winstone) last night. Not a great movie, but well-acted and quite interesting. The absolutely gorgeous shots of New Zealand are simpy breathtaking.

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    Just finished watching 9 again the other night. I have it on blu-ray and it's beautiful, I love good animation. The environment was really well done, a devastated world, the graveyard of Man. I think my two animated favorites are this film and The Incredibles.

    There is also an old french film, Fantastic Planet, 1972 (the french title was La Planete Sauvage), that I'd like to obtain a copy of.

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    EDIT: Me and a friend just finished watching the dvd of Battle for Los Angeles. I really don't understand why the critics panned it so bad, it was a great movie. Visceral and exciting, well paced, good character acting and arc, gritty. The special effects were -very- realistic, unlike what many critics said. They don't know what they're talking about, I highly recommend this movie.
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    Recently I have watched 'The Transcendent Man', 'Gods of Men' and 'The Illusionist'. I recommend all three of them.

    I found 'The Transcendent Man' very interesting and entertaining, yet scary. If you're a fan of SciFi and technology, it's a must. 'Gods of Men' was a bleak movie, but it was shot well, the acting was great and the story was riveting (It's also a true story). I was totally surprised by the Illusionist though. I thought I'd watch it after 'Gods of Men' to cheer me up, but as brilliant as it was, it was pretty damn depressing. The animation in that movie was superb.

    Next on my list is 'Hobo with a Shotgun'.

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    The Terminator was just on, so that's what I've just watched. It's brilliant as ever, even with the dodgy special effects. I'm also just about to order Tangled from Amazon.

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    I didn't like children of men at all, please tell me what I'm doing wrong.

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    Robot Jox. It's only worth a rental as the only parts you won't be fast forwarding through are the stop motion robot fight scenes and even those aren't as hot as the trailer would have you believe. Mostly they just stand still whilst they shoot at each other and then it's a round of boxing. Maybe if the wafer-thin romantic sub-plot was cut out and it focused entirely on the rivalry between the two leads and the other sub-plot about match fixing it would have been better. I'd still like to see the two unofficial sequels Crash and Burn and Robot Wars though.

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    Zodiac was on Last night so i watched that again, I still think this is a really good and interesting movie. It is a bit long but to be honest to get everything in that it had to it had to be really. Its very interesting and it does keep you on the edge of your seat, there are definitely some disturbing bits in it. All in all I really recommend this film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xercies View Post
    Zodiac was on Last night so i watched that again, I still think this is a really good and interesting movie. It is a bit long but to be honest to get everything in that it had to it had to be really. Its very interesting and it does keep you on the edge of your seat, there are definitely some disturbing bits in it. All in all I really recommend this film.
    I've had this film for approximately 2 years and I still haven't watched it. I'll have to check it out this weekend.

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    I just watched The Ghost (The Ghost Writer if you're in America), it was really good. It's a thriller based on the Robert Harris book from a few years ago, directed by Roman Polanski. Ewan McGregor gets hired to be Not Tony Blair's ghostwriter while a war crimes investigation is taking place. A moodily-shot and set, tense, really well acted film. I recommend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndelNurk View Post
    I think Serenity's most important point is that it demonstrates how nasty the Alliance are in that universe. Throughout the series, the crew of Firefly tend to be acting illegally by Alliance laws if not actually in direct action against the Alliance. Serenity goes some way to justifying that.
    I don't think the Alliance is particularly nasty, no more than (for example) the government of the United States. Firefly is deeply rooted in American libertarian ideology. The state is impotent to stop the evils of its world, its bureaucracy is but a hindrance to the average citizen and its attempts to fashion a better society cause more harm than good.
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    Spoilery stuff: The Alliance authorises a project to make the entire population calm and obedient by use of drugs. The Alliance then covers up the horrible results of that project and leave the Reavers produced from it to rape the people of the outlying planets to death. The Alliance also authorises agents to kill everyone involved in, or even aware of, events such as the above. Those events are horrifying enough that even one of those agents becomes disillusioned with them. To be fair, many such things have been claimed about the United States government, but importantly they haven't actually done them. As I say, these events are all in Serenity, the Alliance in Firefly is pretty much as you describe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndelNurk View Post
    Spoilery stuff: The Alliance authorises a project to make the entire population calm and obedient by use of drugs.
    The Alliance wanted to make the world a better place, to do away with violence as a part of human nature. That's why the Operative is loyal to them: his terrible deeds will help to bring about a world in which there will be no more terrible deeds. The ends justify the means.

    This is all classic fear of socialism and the state stuff. And underlying it all is the dichotomy between the view of human nature as fixed and immutable - the Christian view of man as inherently sinful - as espoused by Mal on more than one occasion, and the humanist, progressivist view of man - in short, the view held by meddlers of all kinds - as if not perfectible, then improvable.

    The Alliance then covers up the horrible results of that project and leave the Reavers produced from it to rape the people of the outlying planets to death. The Alliance also authorises agents to kill everyone involved in, or even aware of, events such as the above. Those events are horrifying enough that even one of those agents becomes disillusioned with them. To be fair, many such things have been claimed about the United States government, but importantly they haven't actually done them.
    The Alliance and the Reavers sounds pretty much like the history of the United States in kindling the flames of Islamic fundamentalism which it is now trying to stamp out, except that the Alliance had rather nobler intent than merely opposing communism and the nationalisation of the oil fields in the region. And of course the history of the US government experimenting on its own citizens and those of other nations is well documented.

    In any case one could've as easily used the United Kingdom as an example, except that Firefly is an American show deeply stepped in American values and symbols. The old west as the last frontier of the rugged individualist and so on. So: US it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rii View Post
    The ends justify the means.
    And that's not horrifying? As I said, by the end of the film even that Operative has become disillusioned with the methods of his own government. If even as fervent a believer as he could have lost faith then what does that suggest about the horrors of the project?

    The Western genre is steeped in the ideas of rebellion against the state. I have never enjoyed the genre, in part for that reason. Firefly and Serenity is the first time I have ever enjoyed a Western and the reason is because the Alliance are horrifying and the Firefly crew are not. A pair of them are hiding from abuses by the Alliance, the rest are there for travel, survival, or getting rich but even then they do not take from those that have more need than they do. As Mal says: "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

    And with regard to the link you posted: Most of those studies are not by the US Government, instead it's a list of horrors that happened on US soil. Those that were by the government (e.g. Tuskegee) were apologised for, and more importantly caused enquiries, guidelines, laws and ethical bodies to be created that prevent those in the future. In Serenity, the Alliance makes no such attempt to fix the problems that they have caused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndelNurk View Post
    And that's not horrifying?
    I didn't say it wasn't. But it's certainly not at all far removed from "let's bomb and torture our way to freedom".

    As I said, by the end of the film even that Operative has become disillusioned with the methods of his own government.
    The Operative naturally had a particular view of the universe his service was aiding to create and what he discovered (rather, was forced to see) didn't match up with that. An interesting question is what the Operative would've thought had the experiment been successful.

    Those that were by the government (e.g. Tuskegee) were apologised for, and more importantly caused enquiries, guidelines, laws and ethical bodies to be created that prevent those in the future.
    And what do you think will happen now in the post-Serenity world? The people aren't going to stage a Death Star trench run against an Emperor cackling on his throne, the vast majority of what constitutes 'the Alliance' didn't know about this.

    In Serenity, the Alliance makes no such attempt to fix the problems that they have caused.
    We've no indication that the Alliance simply leaves the Reavers to run amok. On the other hand, we've plenty of indications throughout the series and film that the Alliance simply isn't strong enough to maintain effective presence outside the core worlds. After all, that's how Mal is able to operate in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rii View Post
    I didn't say it wasn't. But it's certainly not at all far removed from "let's bomb and torture our way to freedom".
    In the Unification War the Alliance bombed Mal's home planet with such ferocity that it is entirely uninhabitable. They've committed atrocities of many kinds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rii View Post
    We've no indication that the Alliance simply leaves the Reavers to run amok. On the other hand, we've plenty of indications throughout the series and film that the Alliance simply isn't strong enough to maintain effective presence outside the core worlds. After all, that's how Mal is able to operate in the first place.
    In Serenity, a fleet is despatched for the sole purpose of catching one ship. That fleet, even when caught off guard, is enough to destroy the majority of Reavers in the system. I would therefore suggest that if the Alliance had wanted to, or if they felt the cause of saving lives was important enough, they could have sent a fleet to stop the Reavers before they became a threat and that's even without considering the ethics of the experiment itself.

    It is possible, given what happens in Serenity, that River was being trained to wipe out the Reavers (presumably not on her own), however I'm not sure that kidnapping and abusing a young girl is a worthwhile price for that end when a fleet of trained volunteer personnel was available.

    Regardless, none of this excuses human experimentation on a planet-wide scale (there were 30 million people on Miranda. Even the very worst abuses of medical and psychological experimentation in history have not spread that far) and, of course, this is a universe that has already had the opportunity to learn from the mistakes that were made in the real world. I do not think that the Alliance's actions here can be at all justified.

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