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    Quote Originally Posted by TillEulenspiegel View Post
    Given that nobody could possibly "like" EA's recent behavior, that seems the only sensible decision.
    Yup. OT: I swore I'd never buy another EA game after Hot Pursuit, but broke that oath for BF3. I really should have known better, it's a crushing disappointment disguised by flashy presentation.

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    No, because then they'd be giving a single word out of context.
    And? your being banned do they really need to give it in context or do they just need to get the reason you were banned across in a straight forward manner? Would still like to see what it was a reply to to get it in context and all.

    Some inappropriate language can be entirely appropriate when used on it's own.
    Not on the EA board

    I can only assume that your defence of this undefendable situation and your "quit crying" language is an obvious attempt at trolling. So quit crying about this person's quite reasonable outrage at their unfair behaviour, and GTFO.
    You accept a T&C you then bend over and take it or you don't accept the T&C and don't bend over and take it

    Its not hard to understand.

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    It seems EA is trying really hard to get people out of their forum. If every post puts you in danger of an account suspension, people will stop posting there sooner or later.

    You accept a T&C you then bend over and take it or you don't accept the T&C and don't bend over and take it

    Its not hard to understand.
    That doesn't make EA's practice any less ridiculous, and every player banned for something stupid like that has every right to complain. Maybe bad publicity will force EA to at least consider changing such stupid rules. If everyone just 'bends over and takes it', how is anything going to change? (excluding not buying EA games in the first place, which might actually be a good idea)
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    Not that anyone would want to risk their BF3 access, but it'd be kinda amusing to try and trigger these bans in as innocent a way as possible, say start a thread about your new donkey and share links to myass.jpg and such. Actually I should imagine if all it takes is one accidental use of what one crotchety mod may consider a swear, or offensive, people could be easily trolled into bans left and right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psyk View Post
    You accept a T&C you then bend over and take it or you don't accept the T&C and don't bend over and take it

    Its not hard to understand.
    You may be the sort of person who just bends over, but luckily for us, there are still people out there who are willing to fight for what is right. I'll be damned if I'm going to miss out on Mass Effect 3 just because people like you display attitudes like that, and I'll be damned if they drive me to casual piracy.

    If the T&C says that they can take their game away from you for no reason whatsoever, with no justification, then you don't just bend over and take it.

    You contact RPS, and they run an embarrassing story on it, and "Reach out to EA for comment".

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    As much as I find this ridiculous, the posters above me are correct - Every time one signs the EULA, T&C etc, you agree to be subject to their rules.

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    I've been banned from xbox live a few times one of the times was for constructing a sentance with some words replaced with ** someone I know has been banned for having the word nipples in their bio both of those are covered by the T&Cs that MS have in place. We don't get to decide what the rules they have put down cover.

    If the T&C says that they can take their game away from you for no reason whatsoever, with no justification, then you don't just bend over and take it.
    DON'T BUY THE GAME and then complain or just don't accept the T&C and send it back, don't buy the game agree with the T&C then complain about what you have agreed with.

    Heiniken22 suck it up, your 72 hour ban will be over soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taidan View Post
    You may be the sort of person who just bends over, but luckily for us, there are still people out there who are willing to fight for what is right. I'll be damned if I'm going to miss out on Mass Effect 3 just because people like you display attitudes like that, and I'll be damned if they drive me to casual piracy.

    If the T&C says that they can take their game away from you for no reason whatsoever, with no justification, then you don't just bend over and take it.

    You contact RPS, and they run an embarrassing story on it, and "Reach out to EA for comment".
    I missed out on ME2 and will happily miss out on ME3 because they're EA games. Likewise I'd love to build a ranch in The Sims 3: Pets but it's an EA game. If you object that strongly you accept that no game is worth compromising your morals for, certainly not by wetly trying to embarrass them into being "nice" in the media. They'll still be the same bastards behind their nicely worded press release apologizing.

    I did ask earlier if just refusing to be their customer is a similarly bold if ultimately pointless when it came to companies whose practices I disagreed with. The problem alas does lie in the fact that the overwhelming majority will just "take it" as they've decided Manshoot 7: The Shootening is more important than their rights or beliefs.

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    I don't post on Valve nor EA forums for that very reason. Eventually, I've been banned from just about every forum I've ever posted on (knock on wood) but, thankfully, the forums tied to games accounts - as is the case with my many MMO subscriptions - have never banned me from the game due to my actions on the forums.

    It is an unconscionable, stupid practice to ban somebody from the game due to forum impropriety, especially when it is painfully clear that your moderators over-rely on word filters to the ignorance of context.
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    One thing I've learned from hanging around MMO forums is that people behave differently in a game to how they behave on a forum. Presupposing that if they're disruptive in a forum, they're going to be disruptive in multiplayer is just plain wrong. Banning people from single-player because of disruption on a forum is unambiguously reprehensible, but banning them from multiplayer... Although I can see the thinking behind it, and that makes me a little less outraged at it, that doesn't change the fact that it's still wrong. It's based on false assumptions.

    A forum ban should be a forum ban, and nothing more.

    That's to say nothing of whether the OP should have had a forum ban. Reminds me of the quote on bash.org (that I'm not going to dig out) where someone on a Christian IRC channel managed to get the Bible bot autobanned by asking it to quote a verse (Numbers 22:23, I think) with the word 'ass' in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegooseking View Post
    One thing I've learned from hanging around MMO forums is that people behave differently in a game to how they behave on a forum.
    Well, the main difference I've noticed is that, in PvE-oriented games where player interaction is substantively limited, players tend to act out their frustrations with their fellow man by being hostile and passive aggressive on the forums. Self-styled "gankers" tend to fight it out with (strong) words, and self-styled "carebears" tend to report anybody with a differing opinion.

    It's as if it's offensive to them - after having blocked all distasteful players from their game - to be accosted with a differing opinion on the forum!
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    The two are connected and who gives a shit about being banned from a forum when you can make a new account and be back on in under a min? at least with the included game ban it actually is a punishment for breaking the T&C that you agreed with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memph View Post
    as conducive to the discussion as posting a random lolcat.jpg
    Challenge accepted:

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegooseking View Post
    Presupposing that if they're disruptive in a forum
    "Disruptive" is one thing, abusive is another. Handing out multiplayer bans for serious abuse on a forum is justifiable, I would argue.

    But enforcing *any* kind of ban for mild, inoffensive swearing is mind-bogglingly stupid. This is a forum for an 18+ game, not for children. If you really must insist on scrubbing normal words out of conversation for no apparent reason, at *least* give warnings first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psyk View Post
    The two are connected and who gives a shit about being banned from a forum when you can make a new account and be back on in under a min?
    MMO forum accounts are tied to game accounts. You can't make a new account. And in forums like this, where you can make as many new accounts as you want, that ability is not abused nearly as much as you would imply.

    Also, nobody pays for the forums. They pay for the game. To block them from what they paid for because of some unrelated extra is not good policy.
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    Having a look on your Battlelog profile, your posts seem to be pretty sturdy. My only thinking is that it uses the same language filter as on the EA UK forums, which is functionally quite poor. The ass comes up, you pop up, ban. That, however, would be immensely strict and unnecessary (usually the filter just censors it). As it goes, I can't find the particular post, but that may be because it's been deleted. So yeah. What a bizarre move.

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    that ability is not abused nearly as much as you would imply.
    I've seen it happen enough times and it might not be good policy but that's what the rules are if you don't like them don't agree to them is as easy as clicking the I DON'T AGREE button that is next to the I AGREE button. We also have no idea what led up to this ban the guy could of had warnings before this and this was the last one, we also don't know what the post was a reply to.

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    @Taidan: Thankfully, ME3 is a singleplayer game so I have no need for EA servers (unless, of course, I'd like to receive marketing about a new DLC or something).

    I hate EA ever since they corrupted both Westwood and Bullfrog, but now this is ridiculous. No player should be prohibited from using something they paid for unless it was a crime. EA is a service provider and, as such, is under obligation for their customers. I'd like to see someone with money in a similar situation suing EA, asking for their money back. As one mentioned before, their houses, their rules, of course, but heck, if there's any kind of disagreement, then maybe the player should be able to be refunded.

    The problem with those newly enforced rules for games is that they are a one way road: they treat software as a service but the provider has little to no obligation to the paying customer. They can terminate your account whenever they please, they can suspend the service whenever they please, but what about you? Can you get refunded for the hours when that same service is offline? Is there any SLA from the part of the provider at all? None.

    Some people here are defending that they are right because you agreed to their TOC, EULA, etc. Is that so? Let's propose the absurd: I make a contract where I say someone can kill me. We both sign, so that someone murders me. Is that legal? Is it ok to kill someone just because that someone has agreed to it? Of course not. You can't make contracts that are in breech of the country's law.

    Moreover, most people buying software nowadays are minors. Or better yet, even if an adult has bought it, it's a minor that installed it. Now, on most places around the world, minors can not sign abiding contract unless their parents or legal guardians agree to it. So, is the contract valid? No.

    So yeah, all of us "crying" instead of taking it have the right to do so. We have to fight for what is right. However, I'd like to say that the first good step into that direction is to do what any conscious customer can: stop buying from them. In this case, all we have to do is not use their forums. And not buy anything from Origin. Any of those steps can show EA we, users, mean business.

    The only place they will feel our touch is their wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyStorm View Post
    As one mentioned before, their houses, their rules, of course, but heck, if there's any kind of disagreement, then maybe the player should be able to be refunded.
    I'm also reminded of the irony of selling games where you murder thousands upon thousands of swarthy foreigners but god forbid you use dirty language (or even parrot the dirty language the NPCs use) because that's wrong.
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    Voluntary euthanasia is legal in some countries and U.S. states.
    So depending on where you lived yes.

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