http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=726
To clarify, I was researching FN, and I came across it. But it appears they have remote turrets as well.
http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=726
To clarify, I was researching FN, and I came across it. But it appears they have remote turrets as well.
Last edited by QuantaCat; 28-11-2011 at 07:34 AM.
- Tom De Roeck.
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"Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."
A few things.
1) Less lethal is not the same as non-lethal.
2) It's funny how they imply that there's nothing in a police officer's repertoire between stern words and firearms. Apparently no cop has ever used billy clubs, pepper spray or tasers before Fabrique Nationale decided to step in.
3) It's also funny how, in the dramatized situations, raised voices immediately escalate the situation to requiring SWAT team backup.
4) These are air rifles with slugs. Dear god, all this high-tech shit is describing air rifles with slugs.
I like this page
http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?i...ector=3&detail
look at the close up of those projectiles, look painful. Wonder why they need a "Impact + Inert powder" projectile seems a bit of a waste. For training apparently
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...03&mid=FNM0149
Police should just get a few Strafers, modify it so it can be fitted with a massive hopper, load up on metal ball bearings and shout GET BACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK1bGEz7URQ
http://vimeo.com/6126893
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-lethal_weapon
Last edited by psyk; 28-11-2011 at 09:16 AM.
That looks like a damn good way to blind people.Originally Posted by psyk
And yes, the terminology should always be "less lethal" - any form of disabling weapon, used enough will eventually lead to casualties.
I have to say I'm not convinced that a single shot from these things is going to be disabling anyone. Dissuading those who are getting carried away like the house-fire man, maybe. Doing anything with those set on violence and fire up with adrenaline? Less convinced.
yes, it is "less lethal" not "nonlethal".
But to be honest, are the weapons in DXHR really nonlethal?
Also, those strafer videos are in austria. Fun ensues.
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Last edited by QuantaCat; 28-11-2011 at 09:19 AM.
- Tom De Roeck.
monochrom & verse publications
"Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."
@CMaster yeah looks so fun, aim for the legs make them dance.
@QuantaCat They are the same according to wiki and what method do they (police) use that is really nonlethal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_sprayThe Los Angeles Times times reported in 1995 at least 61 deaths associated with police use of pepper spray since 1990 in the USA.
They have those microwave trucks from C&C if they get angry with rioters at least.Doing anything with those set on violence and fire up with adrenaline? Less convinced.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
Last edited by psyk; 28-11-2011 at 09:28 AM.
Real tech only overtakes DXHR when you can get those force push handgun thingies.
What method is there at all, to be nonlethal? You can never account for whatever allergies, or defects humans have. I know a lot of "force users" want to believe that you can just "Incapacitate and get away with it", but how many times have we, mere gamers, witnessed people falling into lava pits even though weve used "nonlethal" means?!
I say, if you want nonlethal, dont bother doing anything. thats the only nonlethal way.
- Tom De Roeck.
monochrom & verse publications
"Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."
Been having a think and the only thing I came up with is that net they use, but then I can still see ways that could go wrong.
People are really resilient in some ways, really fragile in others. Anything that knocks someone down has a risk of them hitting their head fatally. Stuff like nets probably has small risks of strangulation and again wounds from being dragged. You also have "less lethal" weaponry that while the rate of deaths is very low, produce injuries requiring medical attention so frequently that they aren't really worth bothering with.
The presentation of less-lethal weaponry in gaming is interesting, in that A: accidents leading to fatalities almost never happen and B: they normally knock the target unconscious for a significant length of time. Most actual less-lethal weapons aim to inconvenience or incapacitate targets for a short period of time (SWAT 4 accurately portrays this element). I don't know of any weapon that can safely knock someone out for a reasonable period.
I also do not know about any guns that can instantly kill somebody by perforating their foot...
Did you know that pepper spray is banned for use in wars by the Chemical Weapons Convention? And yet perfectly legal to spray down our civilians with...
Last edited by sabrage; 28-11-2011 at 04:34 PM.
I know that an anti-cop jerckle-circ is always appealing, but I really think you're overanalysing it here.
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I remember watching a video a couple of years ago of the development of electrified bullets being fired into a target that measured how much they were discharging on impact. Supposedly non-lethal. The company didn't appear to have a license for firearms though if I remember correctly, and had to settle for mounting one of their prototype bullets on the end of a crossbow dart in order for it to be fired.
I'm not being anti-cop. I'm just laughing at how bad this extended advertisement is. Like the fat felon literally quivering in fear under the air rifle.
Presumably that's just because chemical weapons are pretty much blanket banned though?
The Tazer company make some shotgun slugs along these lines too. Probably is, this kind of electrical weaponry, while pretty good at putting people down, also has a pretty high number of adverse effects.
Also, just imagining that french police officer's commander talking to him afterwards. "You called in a SWAT team for what? For an unarmed man who wouldn't come out of his own house? Spending HOW MUCH?!"
I didn't mention it so much to raise an argument for chemical weapon proliferation, but rather to point out the hypocrisy inherent in allowing pepper spray to be used at all.
Pepper spray is a pretty nasty weapon, particularly if you don't use it properly in a civilian environment and provide immediate treatment following exposure. It'd be even worse in a combat environment where there's likely to be large-scale, indiscriminate deployment. In that sort of environment you're not likely to be able to provide effective treatment or immediately remove exposure.
It's a pretty crap less than lethal weapon since there's too many unknown factors in its deployment and using it properly from a dispenser isn't all that easy in a risky environment. It's not like you're going to stop someone, say "Do you suffer from asthma?" and then spray them down.
To be fair, this cop had plenty of time to ask about medical conditions beforehand.
[aka obligatory UC Davis video]
Well he is a Belgian felon after all.
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