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    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    The Mona Lisa wouldn't be a world renowned work of art if it was part of a 20 painting series with different facial expressions and hair colors.
    The Mona Lisa wouldn't be anywhere near as famous had it not been stolen.

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    And refused to put his name on them. He didn't authorize those works, and vehemently distanced himself from all of them. Many, many times has he said no to the very idea.
    If he doesn't own the rights, his authorisation means shit all. Moore's such a blind dick, it's unbelievable. He doesn't seem to realise that movies = more popularity = more sales of the original thing = win for him. It's all got to be NO NO I HAVE NUFFING TO DO WITH THIS LOOK AT MY CRAZY HAIR.


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    Ah you do understand why Moore doesn't like this. You've pretty much expressed the exact attitude that he's bitter about.

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    He says he's not in it for the money - I think that's an admirable position to take, at least on some level.

    But I'm sick of people either using him as an excuse as to why this will be bad and/or why you shouldn't buy it. For all we know, this'll piss all over Watchmen. Will it? I doubt it, but I'm not passing judgement until it's out. I'm definitely gonna get at least the Silk Spectre and Minutemen ones, the latter because the market is seriously lacking comics with LGBT characters.


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    Moore's such a blind dick but you think his position is admirable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblazeuk View Post
    Moore's such a blind dick but you think his position is admirable?
    What? I said him not being in it for the money (or claiming such) is admirable, but the rest of his attitude pisses me right off.


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    I understand Moore, people are tampering with his creation. It's impossible to be indifferent for him, and of course he's gonna be against prequels considering how the book leaves no room for them, since it explores the main characters' backgrounds in-depth already.

    "But he get moneyz and popular" is not a valid argument in this case since he obviously doesn't give a fuck about either. He wouldn't be a comic book writer/mage if he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ado View Post
    I understand Moore, people are tampering with his creation. It's impossible to be indifferent for him, and of course he's gonna be against prequels considering how the book leaves no room for them, since it explores the main characters' backgrounds in-depth already.
    There doesn't have to be room for them. Going into more depth with, say, the Minutemen is not going to affect what happens in the main story. Again, the prequels were considered - and I think almost happened - in the '80s anyway, so obviously there is some room for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ado View Post
    "But he get moneyz and popular" is not a valid argument in this case since he obviously doesn't give a fuck about either. He wouldn't be a comic book writer/mage if he did.
    If he doesn't care if people read his stuff, why the frak is he writing then? In fact, why is he selling his writing? He obviously cares on some level otherwise he wouldn't give interviews or answers to questions.

    If nothing else, these prequels will give comic shops (and when collected, bookstores) a chance to display Watchmen again and do offers on it. If it gets more people reading Watchmen, simply because it's one of the more famous comic-based stories, then I don't see how that's a bad thing at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    If he doesn't own the rights, his authorisation means shit all. Moore's such a blind dick, it's unbelievable. He doesn't seem to realise that movies = more popularity = more sales of the original thing = win for him. It's all got to be NO NO I HAVE NUFFING TO DO WITH THIS LOOK AT MY CRAZY HAIR.
    This is tantamount to "if you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"

    To that I say, spit on you. There are more important things than money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    This is tantamount to "if you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"

    To that I say, spit on you. There are more important things than money.
    What? I know why he's not "rich", because he feels justified in turning down the profits to his movies. That's his decision and I'm not going to fault him for it.

    All I'm saying is he's not losing anything due to these prequels. If he doesn't care about the money, then he should be glad that the increased sales mean more people are discovering who he is, enjoying his work and seeking out more of it, whether it's his rather good Batman: The Killing Joke, V for Vendetta, From Hell or any of his other work.


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    I think you're all being to logical about this. Alan Moore created Watchmen. It is his piece of art. He felt it perfect and complete.

    Now there will be other people tinkering with his design. I can understand why that might hurt. At the same time, there is justification for prequels (see Althea), but I can relate to Moore's annoyance.

    On a side note, I found Watchmen to be uninspiring and was surprised by how much praise it received. Anyone else holding this secret and shamed view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sockeatsock View Post
    I think you're all being to logical about this. Alan Moore created Watchmen. It is his piece of art. He felt it perfect and complete.
    The facts are not in disputation. The philosophy is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    All I'm saying is he's not losing anything due to these prequels.
    Storywriting depends on our seeing things a different way in light of new information, it's part of the art.

    Given that's the case, I can well understand why the original creator would be wary of adding anything to his (as he sees it) already-complete story. There's a lot could end up lost.

    I'm not saying "These prequels shouldn't exist". Sure they should, and why not? But I can definitely understand the author saying about them "I got nothing to do with this, I don't like 'em".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keep View Post
    I'm not saying "These prequels shouldn't exist". Sure they should, and why not? But I can definitely understand the author saying about them "I got nothing to do with this, I don't like 'em".
    Well, firstly - HE was going to write the prequels, and has been offered the chance many times. He's refused not because he feels they're unnecessary, but because of disputes with DC.

    I don't think that last bit is quite true. Moore has beef with DC, and whether you think it's justified or not, I don't think it's particularly sporting of him to complain about people using "his" characters, when in truth many of his characters aren't actually his - or he's heavily based them on existing characters. I believe Watchmen was originally supposed to use existing superheroes, but Moore either couldn't get the rights or something else stopped him, so he basically cloned those heroes and made them into the ones we know today.


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    Out of respect for Alan Moore, I decided against watching the Watchmen movie. Though probably because so far as satires and/or deconstructions of superhero comics go I thought Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neil's Marshal Law was superior probably made that decision easier for me to make.

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    There are many good things that come out of doing something like this and you shouldnt always go with the original creators sometimes. For example The Muppets was a fantastic movie even though Frank Oz really wasnt to keen on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    Out of respect for Alan Moore, I decided against watching the Watchmen movie. Though probably because so far as satires and/or deconstructions of superhero comics go I thought Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neil's Marshal Law was superior probably made that decision easier for me to make.
    You made a wise decision skipping that abortion of a movie. If your'e looking for a good laugh though, you can watch the only scene you really need to... (As a side note, can you just put anything on Youtube now? Don't watch that at work, obviously)

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    Hey the Watchmen movie was worth seeing just for Rorschach. Ignore the rest but [oops - edit to make sense] but he was grand in every scene and the prison was fun until the slow-mo kicked in.

    I said him not being in it for the money (or claiming such) is admirable, but the rest of his attitude pisses me right off.
    Ah right - fair enough. Other posts don't really get that across

    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Moore's such a blind dick, it's unbelievable. He doesn't seem to realise that movies = more popularity = more sales of the original thing = win for him. It's all got to be NO NO I HAVE NUFFING TO DO WITH THIS LOOK AT MY CRAZY HAIR.
    My wonder at this is the number -and passion - of people who are bothered that Alan Moore and others are bothered. Self-perpetuating outrage at people not being apathetic enough. It's a vicious cycle and one that we seem to be seeing all too frequently. So Moore shouldn't be bothered by this because he doesn't lose anything? Fine, then you shouldn't be bothered by him being bothered.
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    The fact that they changed the original ending proved what Moore and countless others said all along - it was unfilmable. I'll admit that Haley did a good job, but "husky, brooding badass anti-hero" isn't exactly a hard role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblazeuk View Post
    Fine, then you shouldn't be bothered by him being bothered.
    I'm bothered by him moaning because I think it's a real dick move towards those who are working on this project. They're affected by his attitude towards this run of prequels, and I don't think that's particularly sporting of him, especially if it means his work will be seen by more people.

    As for the film - I liked it. The majority of it was left intact (I never actually finished the book, my copy was a bit badly printed towards the end, plus it's not light reading) and I felt they got most of the important stuff done.


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