Yes some of the best artwork in ever meduium has been the ones that disturb and make you question whats in that media and your own beliefs. I mean Lolita the book was controversial when it came out I bet, so was the movie. And A Clockwork Orange, but these films are the ones that stay with us and there should be more of them especially in gaming.
I say want a game to play as a Holocaust guard! I want a game where I murder children. Not in any oh i'm killing children haha way but in an intelligent manner. We can ignore the games that don't do it in an intelligent manner.
No idea. I know you could play Axis 'bout ten years back in Battlefield 1942. Never spotted any outrage over that, but there wasn't any story there either.
And I think that affects all of us, and many of the games we play.
I would eat up a well made WW2 game from the german perspective. Anyone remember Das Boot?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/) by Sam Peckinpah which is set on the Eastern front from the German perspective. It's a great piece because it's forcing you to watch a protagonist, who you've up to now (through pretty much every other war film) been conditioned to view as the irredeemable bad guy and actually recognising that he is regardless of whatever side of a conflict he may be on as much a human being as anyone else.
I think it could be done, but it would have to be one that was more a story based game than CoD (with ludicrous kill counts) in a German uniform.I'd buy that game, if it were done well.
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I think games have to be more careful as the mechanics can imply certain points of view of developers. In a book or film you'll rarely get a story where the evil rapist/paedophile is happy all the way through and gets away with it at the end. Not outside of porn anyway. But in games if you want to give players the option to explore the darker sides, but still want them to be able to win the game, you have to be wary how you reward them.
I think the biggest problem for games is that they don't know what they're trying to say. When these things crop in in other media there's generally a point, an artistic intent. Without that it's a lot harder to judge.
It would be some hardcore stuff...
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Reparations, quite possibly one of the dumbest ideas ever dreamt up in the history of mankind.
Go through most of the 1930's which would display things that you would commonly see in germany during that time (Kids playing with blocks of bills for example).
I would like it to actually be a few hours of different stuff here, not just like the tutorial then bang, into the war we go. It might bore most people but personally, I would find it interesting.
Up to the part where the war starts whjich might be the second "act" of the game where you go through stuff like "boot camps" or such, do a few battles in poland, then continue into a third act which might just be the retreat back from the eastern front.
I'm torn, because there are some fools out there that take that right of free speech, or free expression, and just put out the most vile garbage a person can see. A Serbian Film anyone? Now, whatever Radivojević's artistic(yeah right) intent for the movie, the reality is he was just pushing boundaries for the sake of pushing them. There are better ways to artistically express
"a metaphor for our national cinema - boring , predictable and altogether unintentionally hilarious which throughout our film to some extent is commented on and subtly parodied."
The guy is full of it, and I think we've gotten to the point where any fool with a toilet can call his feces art. Any person can just say "it's my opinion" and that somehow validates everything. Opinions are validated through expertise, not by the nature of simply having a thought in your brain.
That being said, as much as I detest these artistic charlatans, we can't do much about it because there is legitimate art out there, stories to tell, and even good stories that will offend a lot of people. We can't really risk going down that road because we don't really know where it leads, or what we might lose.
In short, game content shouldn't be restricted by moral standards, but I sure hope that people are discerning enough to not consider something "art" because it's shocking, or because it's morally ambiguous. A rating system is just fine, but I do wish it was more of a 1:1 comparison.
I think that would certainly work as an educational piece for sure.
Yes! Which also goes with my other points in that games are a great medium for education because it can with the right people working on it put you in someone else's shoes. Thats why I would like both that and the holocaust guard thing, just think of an interesting dillemma you got there, do you help out the jews even though it risks your life or do you go the easy option because you have a wife and kids to feed. It would be interesting and contraversial!
Well your final paragraph is the most important one really. It is not your call whether that serbian film is allowed to be made, and nor should it be. But you are totally within your rights to not like it, not watch, dismiss it out of hand and even criticise it. Same with games and all forms of expression.
Yep i'm happy that A Serbian Film is out there maybe the director is telling the truth, I mean I'm sure many people think what my stories and films are about is artitistic director wank and not really there but maybe he did want to push that forward. The thing is I know from descriptions it is not for me so I choose to not watch that film, some other people choose to see the film as it is some other people choose to see an exploitation film.
Consumer censorship instead of Government censorship.
Whatever your opinion on A Serbian Film is, it was a well-made movie. It's actually impressive considering its microscopic budget. George Lucas (I know, I know) recently said something along the lines of "art is technology". I agree with that. I am fascinated by technology and find beauty in it. I can easily appreciate and marvel at movies and games whose only achievement is technical. I have no doubt that Battleship is going to be a piece of shit story-wise and in the acting department, but the technical wizardry is what I find appealing. I am not attracted by the explosions, but by the craftsmanship behind them.
I'm content with defining art as "stuff made by someone that viscerally appeals to people". I think it's broad enough to cover all bases. There's also this video.
Also the shit depicted in A Serbian Movie actually happens.
I hope I make sense lol. Writing from work FTW!