I don't remember there being any dude eye candy.
I don't remember there being any dude eye candy.
I don't think you can really use Frazetta to form the basis of an argument 30 years after his work was truly popular.
I guess I could hunt out a very recent piece of art that shows that, if you really insist. Or I could just go way back and get some greek warrior-women sculptures or pictures of lady liberty or something.
Frazetta was popular in the '80s, back when the whole unclothed fantasy movement was big. Loincloths, bras, thongs, yadda yadda. He took almost a classical view to fantasy work, and it worked... then. It's almost like he did Greek sculptures with a fantasy bent, but it tended to be less natural and more sexually charged, I'd say. He exaggerated more, he increased features, so on and so forth.
Now is not then (When will then be now?, etc), and I'd like to think we've moved on from Frazetta and his contemporaries. Conan isn't as popular as he was, and even in the recent remake with Jason Momoa, he was wearing more than Arnie did in Red Sonja, Conan the Barbarian and Conan the Destroyer, or was at least wearing more practical things.
Isabela is wearing more than most things Frazetta painted, but she's little different. She's exaggerated, she's got a sexual element, and whereas Frazetta drew art (that was, at the time, brilliant but also relevant), she comes across as nothing more than eye candy. Her clothes are so close to being sensible that it feels stupid that BioWare didn't finish the job. It's like Miranda in ME2. If they'd removed the camel toe, fixed a few things here and there, she could have a very sensible set of clothes that make sense in context. But neither Isabela nor Miranda make sense. Why? Because they're walking around with this unnecessary sexual element to them.
Isabela's clothes offer no protection at all in a close-combat setting, and her tits would be flying all over the place, and would also likely be constantly flashing her *cough* at people.
Compare Merrill and Aveline's outfits to Isabela (and also Bethany). Compare Hawke, Cassandra and a few others to Isabela. Do you not see how ridiculous she looks?
I was responding to Serenegoose's post as a general statement rather than trying to defend Dragon Age 2 - I haven't played it.
From the pictures I've seen, every character seems to leave bits of bare skin unarmoured over important organs. Merrill has decided to wear armour everywhere but over her arms, legs and heart, while Hawke apparently plans to only be hit in his right arm. Isabella actually seems better because she's just wearing cloth, instead of putting heavy plate armour over some bits and then leaving massive gaps everywhere for no reason.
I do agree that I'd like to see more down-to-earth, believable costuming in games generally.
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Aveline is the only one who wears anything that would be protective in combat. Which is sensible, since nobody is going to arrest the guard captain on a charge of "going equipped". Merril and Bethany are both mages and wear robes, as is traditional (at least they avoid the silly headgear this time). If you want to avoid comparing apples to oranges, I'd suggest Varric would have been a better comparison given he's also a rogue. Although I think Isabella actually comes off on top in that comparison (personally I suspect she grabbed the last pirate outfit from the fancy dress shop, leaving poor Varric with no option but the 70s disco fever garb).Compare Merrill and Aveline's outfits to Isabela (and also Bethany). Compare Hawke, Cassandra and a few others to Isabela. Do you not see how ridiculous she looks?
Armour is always a trade off between protection Vs manoeuvrability. A lightly armoured combatant is reliant on speed and agility to keep them alive through evasion until opportunity to strike arises Vs a heavily armoured combatant whom is reliant on bodily protection and sheer force to defeat opponents.
Like for like tends to work well, but when the two meet, generally unless it's a very confined space and fatigue and skill isn't a factor there's only one likely outcome: -
As for Varric; he's not exactly a close-combat type, is he? He sits at the back with Bianca and picks enemies off. He can viably get away with wearing what he does, because he needs less protection. If he got into close combat, however, it would be a bit ridiculous.
@Althea Yea, but giving her shitty outfit was the easiest way of portraying what she was about.
In this thread we talk about the outfits of companions in a video game.
People defending Isabella's clothing? There I was thinking people defending the story and gameplay would be the most incomprehensible thing I'd find in this thread.
Reading some of this has not made me want to get DA2 - I was thinking about it; I'm no RPG hardnose.
All it's done is made me want to play Alpha Protocol a second time. For all of the "DA2 is good, even though it's not a 'proper' RPG" talk I can;t help but feel that most recently Alpha Protocol nailed the "not a proper RPG" genre...
Originally Posted by CROCONOUGHTKEY