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    My wife and child are elsewhere for the evening, so I can actually sit down for something extended and uninterruptible. It turns out Mann vs Machine is a bit good.

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    I've started playing Baldur's Gate for the first time, but I always have trouble getting into the gameplay of cRPGs. I'm always overwhelmed by all the stats and stuff, and the intricacies of character creation, and end up second guessing my choices as soon as I start playing.

    So can anyone help me out? I want to just get into the game, and have fun and a challenge without being punished hideously. So what's the funnest, simplest character setup for BG? (keeping in mind I'm using the trilogy combo mod thing which lets me have BGII character choices (doesn't it?))

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    Quote Originally Posted by zay View Post
    I've started playing Baldur's Gate for the first time, but I always have trouble getting into the gameplay of cRPGs. I'm always overwhelmed by all the stats and stuff, and the intricacies of character creation, and end up second guessing my choices as soon as I start playing.

    So can anyone help me out? I want to just get into the game, and have fun and a challenge without being punished hideously. So what's the funnest, simplest character setup for BG? (keeping in mind I'm using the trilogy combo mod thing which lets me have BGII character choices (doesn't it?))
    My first playthrough was with a wizard slayer and second one was with wizard.

    wizards are useless on first few levels. you get one spell at level one (2 if you know where a certain ring is. Hint: look for it in the bushes just before you meet friends) but then become really fun to play as well as your main weapon.
    Fighters are easier at first, lots of hitpoints and can tank. later tough their main job is just to keep enemies occupied while your mages do the most damage (also sometimes enemies have ridiculous high magic resistance. fighters then shine)

    so while i am no expert on BG i would recommend a straight fighter or Kensei kit, or a paladin for first time player.
    paladin kit, apparently the best is: inquisitor. dispel magic is such an useful thing.
    more on classes here:
    http://www.playithardcore.com/pihwik...al_Information

    honestly... BG1 is not very difficult game except three or so bosses (last one is a pain in the ass)

    with stats:
    if you go melee character then try to max out your str and dex. max out dex with any character to be honest.
    with wizards INT is the most important

    i was satisfied when when roll gave me all stat above 10 and the total for stats above ten was 28 (as in str 12 then thats +2). so don't spend too much time to get straight 18s.

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    Dove into Space Marine last night... really not very impressed so far. Hopefully it will get better soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kstress71 View Post
    Dove into Space Marine last night... really not very impressed so far. Hopefully it will get better soon...
    Errr, no, I think the problem is it stays about the same the whole way through. Sorry.

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    Getting bored with witcher (first one), but story keeps me going more than annoying fighting mechanics, so bought and installed Silent Storm and S3. S2 on hard is frustrating and boring, so launched S3 on normal for relaxation sporting a scout, fun enough. Voice acting is terrible beyond belief and really makes me sad, russian version had way better voice acting and more funny expressions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zay View Post
    I've started playing Baldur's Gate for the first time, but I always have trouble getting into the gameplay of cRPGs. I'm always overwhelmed by all the stats and stuff, and the intricacies of character creation, and end up second guessing my choices as soon as I start playing.

    So can anyone help me out? I want to just get into the game, and have fun and a challenge without being punished hideously. So what's the funnest, simplest character setup for BG? (keeping in mind I'm using the trilogy combo mod thing which lets me have BGII character choices (doesn't it?))
    A basic Human fighter character with no kit (ie. not a Wizard Slayer or Berzerker) will make for a pretty safe playthrough, or you could go for a Ranger/Paladin (all Ranger kits are rubbish, all Paladin ones are pretty decent) instead which will make things a bit more interesting while still providing a strong melee character.
    Wizards are very hard to start with as so much can kill you quickly, meaning you'll be hammering quickload and swearing a lot.

    Stats in the BG games are actually pretty simple as you are completely allowed to min/max them. For example, it shouldn't take long to get a roll for a Fighter which looks like:
    STR 18/85+ (18/00 is the highest you can roll, if you're wondering)
    DEX 18
    CON 18
    INT 3
    WIS 3
    CHA 18

    Going a dwarf of elf will make DEX/CON go to 17/19 and 19/17 respectively for that roll. For wizard, drop STR (although remember this effects your inventory capacity so 3 is never a great idea) and raise INT to full. Unless you choose Sorceror, in which case INT can stay at 3 as that class relies on CHA. I mentioned trying a Paladin earlier and will warn that getting a good roll for them is really hard, as the require WIS and CHA to be really high - INT is the only dump stat for them.

    Recap: I'd recommend one of the melee-based classes but definitely without using a kit that'll mean you can't use Magic Weapons/Armour or greatly effects your weapon/armour choices like the Ranger ones do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kstress71 View Post
    Dove into Space Marine last night... really not very impressed so far. Hopefully it will get better soon...
    Basically, what Serenegoose said. If you continue you'll just get more of the same (except for the jet pack parts, those are pure fun) with a few different weapons.

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    I don't know how it is in BG1/2 but in Icewind Dale a fighter specced on longbow is a killing machine. Might be worth to check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    I recently replayed Bioshock 2 to see if it holds up as well as I remember. I can safely state it does. There are a few things about the game that bother me, but I'm willing to forgive it for them because the last third is just so incredibly fun to play. One of the best FPS titles in recent years and superior to its predecessor in every way.
    I really like Bioshock 2 but I liked the first one more. The gameplay may be better but it lacked the novelty of the setting and the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casimir Effect View Post
    I mentioned trying a Paladin earlier and will warn that getting a good roll for them is really hard, as the require WIS and CHA to be really high - INT is the only dump stat for them.
    with Paladin you can't go lower than 17 with char so getting it high is not an issue.
    and wis... its not needed for Paladins. you can go to 13 (min.) without worrying about it.


    and INT is sortof needed in BG2... so dumping it low is a bit risky thing to do.
    also I would say don't bother with 18/00 roll. if you don't get it as long as your STR is 18 you will be fine as there is a way to boost it pass that very easily.
    so as long as you have high rolls even if you get 18/01 its fine.
    Last edited by Lukasz; 29-08-2012 at 11:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    with Paladin you can't go lower than 17 with char so getting it high is not an issue.
    and wis... its not needed for Paladins. you can go to 13 (min.) without worrying about it.


    and INT is sortof needed in BG2... so dumping it low is a bit risky thing to do.
    also I would say don't bother with 18/00 roll. if you don't get it as long as your STR is 18 you will be fine as there is a way to boost it pass that very easily.
    so as long as you have high rolls even if you get 18/01 its fine.
    For INT [text hidden] do you mean it becomes important when taking on mindflayers and the like? Or that INT 10 gets the best results if someone casts Maze on you?

    18/00 certainly isn't necessary, especially as the Tome will put it straight up to 19 I think. Paladin stats are tricky as you can't drain Wisdom much so you tend to need a pretty good roll to get something like 18, 18, 18, 3, 13, 17.

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    Not that hard i would say. I created one for fun in 15min or so
    STR18/31
    DEX 18
    CON 16
    INT 10 (so smarter than minsc) Text hidden: I didn't know about maze. I was referring t to monsters who drain your INT in underworld in BG2.
    WIS 13
    CHAR 17

    i decided that eight INT would be a bit too low for RP reasons. so average int is good choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    Not that hard i would say. I created one for fun in 15min or so
    STR18/31
    DEX 18
    CON 16
    INT 10 (so smarter than minsc) Text hidden: I didn't know about maze. I was referring t to monsters who drain your INT in underworld in BG2.
    WIS 13
    CHAR 17

    i decided that eight INT would be a bit too low for RP reasons. so average int is good choice.
    I'm never bothered about RPing so am always happy to make my main character dumb in the old 2E games. And taking on Mind Flayers in BG2 with any INT score is a bad idea, especially the ones which drain 5 points per hit. Maze is never really more than an annoyance so the benefits of average INT aren't huge. I also tend to like having a high WIS for my paladins as I think it does help some things, so rolling for that is harder (also you have CON 16 which is unforgivable).

    As much as I love rolling the stats up in the 2E games I think I prefer the 3E system where dropping WIS is a great way to have your people fail Will saves, and dropping INT means getting one skill point per level. Although that being said it can often get you special 'Dumbass' conversation options in things like IWD 2 and NWN2.

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    Firefall. Just found out that you can develop multiple classes with a single character. Nice. ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenegoose View Post
    Quite right. I've been replaying it too. Wish the weapons had ANY oomph to them - if they did it would be just about perfect for me.
    Some of the weapons are a bit lackluster I admit. Which is why I'm a big fan of the Drill Specialist tonic. With it and the level 3 versions of Decoy, Hypnotize, Insect Swarm and Security Command you barely need to fight at all. Not to mention there's something incredibly satisfying about punching enemies in the head with a giant drill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    My first playthrough was with a wizard slayer and second one was with wizard.

    wizards are useless on first few levels.
    Actually wizards are powerful even at low levels for one reason: Sleep. It's AoE, no limit on # of affected creatures, saving throw +3 negates but everything in Baldur's Gate has horrible saving throws anyway.

    But the best thing about it is that, contrary to all common sense, attacked creatures do NOT wake up. And are considered disabled and thus you always hit them no matter how bad your ThAC0 is. And the spell lasts 5 rounds/level.

    It's fun to kill Ogres with nothing but a dagger as a level 1 Mage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casimir Effect View Post
    (also you have CON 16 which is unforgivable).
    lol.. why?

    @Mohorovicic

    Yeah. I know. Sleep used to be my main spell for half of BG1. but at level one you have only one spell. so unless you backtrack to inn or sleep on the ground after every fight... wizard is quite useless till level three when you have enough spells to actually contribute to fights not just a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    lol.. why?
    Missing out on the extra HP gained by Fighters, Rangers and Paladins (and probably Barbarians) when CON is 17 or 18.

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