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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravelle View Post
    What about Andrea?
    You've got to be kidding right? Possibly the most stupid character on television right now. She spends half the series whining that the friendly old guy won't let her have a gun, she finally gets one and she decides to shoot the coolest guy in the show, despite the fact that whoever he is (sure it's not entirely clear at that distance), he's clearly talking to her friends.

    Plus she seems to have turned to the clearly unstable Shane, so she can feel safe.
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    So there's been all this controversy over BBC dropping the seventh episode of Frozen Planet's 'On Thin Ice' for America because it investigates man-made climate change. Oh wait, it doesn't. Turns out the episode investigates the effects and consequences of our warming planet. That's it. There's no political agenda, no theorising, and no mention of whether this is the result of man's interference or a naturally occurring climate shift. It's just hard facts. Grow some balls BBC. I'm sure the American media won't pan your show before watching it firs-



    Nevermind. Carry on.

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    From her point of view she couldn't tell if he was talking to her friends or not, the group was just standing there with their back to her and to be fair he didn't make an effort to convince he was not a zombie when he saw the whole group approaching him all guns blazing.

    But if you want to talk stupid, how about Sophia leaving her spot when clearly told to stay put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravelle View Post
    From her point of view she couldn't tell if he was talking to her friends or not, the group was just standing there with their back to her and to be fair he didn't make an effort to convince he was not a zombie when he saw the whole group approaching him all guns blazing.

    But if you want to talk stupid, how about Sophia leaving her spot when clearly told to stay put.
    Or even - "Let's use Glen as bait, to use this well that we dont really need and has had a putrid zombie living in it for ages.. " Let's face it, the whole bunch of them are idiots who don't really deserve to survive a zombie apocalypse.
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    That still keeps me up at night. Why are the group so utterly convinced a zombie covered in oozing wounds has not contaminated the water, to the point where they are willing to risk the life of a member of their group? If they need live bait why not use a chicken? How will they test the water for contamination - give it to the animals or Glenn if he's still alive? Couldn't they tie the rope to something sturdy like the CARAVAN instead of a rusty old faucet, that way they'd have a backup to pull Glenn out?

    Oh forget it. We're analysing a scene which was so obviously meant to crowbar in unnecessary tension, and in doing so it temporarily robs the entire group of basic intelligence.

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    In the comics Glen also serves as a " go to the city to raid food and supplies guy" because he's agile and fast but that's only in the beginning, also they didn't use chickens because they were all fed to the barn zombies family.

    Also by the look of that zombie in the well he had been soaking up water for days, or weeks, the water would be contaminated for sure, there is no reason to pull him out since the water won't be magically cleansed, if the zombies are contagious to begin with ( besides biting that is). They're also having a barn full of them, yet there eating off the their own land harvests.

    And then the shocked faces when the zombies split in to and the zombie guts plunge in to the water," well it is contaminated for sure now! is what they all thought probably.

    The whole Carl coma was also unnecessary, took way to long while in the comics he woke up after a couple of hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravelle View Post
    also they didn't use chickens because they were all fed to the barn zombies family.
    Wasn't the chicken massacre in episode 6? They discovered the well zombie much earlier in episode 4. Also, they would keep a few chickens back for their eggs. Unless you're reffering to the comic.

    I think they just want Glenn dead.
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    It was shown in episode six yes, but you would think that they were feeding them way before the crew arrived.

    Speaking off, why were they feeding them? Complete cities and towns were zombiefied without needing food, yet surviving just fine.

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    Because it fits the actions of characters who believe them to still be human?

    This show is really at its finest when it's dealing with a couple of people 'surviving', not playing house or commenting on suicide/abortion/religion etc.

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    My beef with TWD is that it changes way too much and loses the magic of the comic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splynter View Post
    Because it fits the actions of characters who believe them to still be human?

    This show is really at its finest when it's dealing with a couple of people 'surviving', not playing house or commenting on suicide/abortion/religion etc.
    Jericho suffered with the exact same things.

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    I'd wondered why they were spinning the Sophia story out so long and then as soon as Shane opened the barn it all sort of fell into place. This may have been obvious to everybody else earlier what the conclusion to that was going to be but it hadn't even occurred to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Splynter View Post
    This show is really at its finest when it's dealing with a couple of people 'surviving', not playing house or commenting on suicide/abortion/religion etc.
    Indeed. As was commented on further up the thread, the zombie/action stuff tends to be genuinely good. But whether it's the writing or the acting, it hasn't been good enough in a series that's leant on the character stuff. As in any horror/apocalyptic film, too many of the people just seem stupid.

    Basically in TWD the group survives because just enough of them are competent. Andrea's the most irritating of the lot.
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    I'm currently watching Alias, having got the box set on the cheap having remembered enjoying what I saw of it (definitely the first seasona nd perhaps some of the second) when it was on telly.

    Enjoying it now, even if the first series has been pretty formulaic it quite cleverly keeps you wanting to watch the next episode by (to my eyes) switching round the usual order of when things hapening. So while an episode of, say, Supernatural goes get case, solve case while building tension, tack some character development on at the end, essentially no cliffhanger; Alias goes resolve last weeks cliffhanger while building tension, tack some character development in the middle while getting new mission, go on new mission, end on dramatic cliffhanger. i'm simplifying a bit but I think the method of Alias definitely screams at you to watch more. Of course 24 trumps them both as it took a few seasons to become formulaic and even then it was more just that you recognised similar scenarios rather than each episode taking on the same structure.

    Interesting to see how it turns out, I'd forgotten that it had a shit load of mysticism involved as well, which is an intruiging mix with the traditional spy thing. I can remember the big twist from the first season but once it gets past that then i'll be in the dark, which is where I like to be when watching a series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xercies View Post
    So I just watched Black Mirror, have to say it was an interesting and funny concept done in a way that I thought really wasn't that funny.
    I'm not sure it's actually trying to be funny to be honest; I thought it was meant to be social commentary on social networking, mob mentality and how easily public opinion changes. The Pig was used to display a situation by which humiliation and loss of reputation were a likely outcome.

    Did anybody catch the latest episode "15 million merits"? One of the best pieces of television I've seen in a long time; the "1984" styled world with Huxley's "Brave New World' ideology really hammered home how cheap instant-gratification entertainment has, and could further, change society.
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    Going to watch the latest episode later tonight, the first one was good but I thought the concept of this one looked more promising. Lookng forward to the final one as well, Jesse Armstrong can usually be relied on to come up with good quality TV.

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    So I just watched the second episode of Black Mirror, probably one of the most heart wrenchily depressing thing I have watched in a long time. The way it builds up warmth for its characters and then dashes your hopes on the rocks. Its got so much stuff in it, I can't help but think its a masterpiece. There''s stuff about what is celebrity and selling out, their is stuff about gamification of life, their is stuff about how people spend lots of useless things on virtual items.

    But its the human drama that was in it that got me the most. I don't think I will ever forget that.

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    It didn't feel big enough for me. There were elements that I loved, the whole idea of living inside a Kinect room, pop-up ads that cost points to skip, and the fact that even closing your eyes to these images is prohibited. A lot of it felt like things that could quite easily happen. The human element was much better than last weeks, along with some good acting.

    My problem came from having no view of the outside world and having no feeling of how big the X-Factor element was. Was it just something that people on the bikes could watch, or was it a show the whole world tuned into? I guess I was expecting something along the lines of Running Man, where these shows are the only entertainment going and everyone watches. In this, the significance of the show didn't seem all that important. I thought the idea was that this thing was the dominant force in everyone's lives, but I didn't get that impression. It all felt a bit underwhelming.

    The other problem is it all seemed a bit obvious. Think about the kind of crowd that will have watched this. Most of us already hate the X-Factor, or at least don't care about it. Same goes for little things like the pointlessness of buying items for an avatar. Charlie Brooker is preaching to the choir in this one. It's not opening our eyes to things we couldn't see. What are the chances the people who had just finished enjoying the X-Factor decided to turn over to a random show they'd probably heard nothing about? I doubt many of these people will have watched Black Mirror and had their ideals challenged.

    That's why I much preferred last weeks episode, because it was going after the exact kind of crowd that would have been tuning in. Social media savvy, twitter and facebook users. It partially pointed to the mob mentality of these devices and the way in which many of us turn to these places not for news and information, but as a form of spectacle. A way to gawp at what's going on in the world. I think these things could be just as damaging as the stupidity of X-Factor.

    I am at least looking forward to next weeks. They've been worth watching, certainly.

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    I think I'm slap bang in the middle of Xercies and DiamondDog's takes on the 2nd Black Mirror. It was very stylishly done and the acting was great (particular kudos to the guy playing Bing) but as with DiamondDog I reckoned it just lacked a bit of, dare I say it, the X Factor. It was one of those dramas where I always felt I knew what was happening a few minutes in advance, so while it did its thing very well it just maybe lacked that element of suprise or particularly thought provoking moment. Definitely good TV though and hopefully the final one is a decent watch too.

    Oh and I like the nice touch of the intro title splash doing the 40D style loading thing initially, it's a nice little acknowledgement that many people are streaming it online and not watching it on the telly. Plus I think the unskippable ads (particular the ones for the Wii) were made uncomfortably ironic given the context of the show!

    Side note confession; I'm an on off viewer of the X Factor and its ilk. Watched a few series, stopped, housemates were watching it, started again, gave up in the middle of this year as it was lacking in entertainment value (though kept reading the Guardian liveblog of it, which is hilarious). I know it's trash but sometimes trash is entertaining!
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    Watched the pilot of the new HBO series "Luck" - have to say I'm pretty impressed so far. Definitely looking forward to more of this. It follows three basic plot arcs surrounding a horse track. It's risk taking of some nature (hence the name) at the executive, middle management, and low life level in the form of either outright gambling on horses, or gambling on which horse to run and when. Hoffman's level is the highest, and it's the maneuvering required to assert his place in some sort of cabal that owns casinos and tracks while on a business venture he's orchestrating getting completed.

    You can tell without a doubt that Michael Mann's hands are all over this in the cinematography and music, but they haven't really spent enough time on Hoffman's scenes yet for me to see if they've capitalized on his talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalSignalX View Post


    Watched the pilot of the new HBO series "Luck" - have to say I'm pretty impressed so far. Definitely looking forward to more of this. It follows three basic plot arcs surrounding a horse track. It's risk taking of some nature (hence the name) at the executive, middle management, and low life level in the form of either outright gambling on horses, or gambling on which horse to run and when. Hoffman's level is the highest, and it's the maneuvering required to assert his place in some sort of cabal that owns casinos and tracks while on a business venture he's orchestrating getting completed.

    You can tell without a doubt that Michael Mann's hands are all over this in the cinematography and music, but they haven't really spent enough time on Hoffman's scenes yet for me to see if they've capitalized on his talent.
    It's written by the creator of Deadwood, which is one of my all-time favourite tv shows. The concept doesn't really excite me though I have to say. Think I'll wait until the series starts to air proper before diving in.
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