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    Building first PC

    Hey everyone, I'm looking to build my first PC. I've bought a total of two laptops in my life and have been constantly disappointed by some flaw. I want to finally build a monster of my own but my knowledge of computer components is pretty low, I understand what device is better than another but I am afraid that I will end up buying a pile of parts that don't work together. Essentially I'm asking if there is anything that I should keep in mind when buying parts to ensure that it will work with what I have already purchased. I'm perfectly capable of googling an item to see if it's worth dropping money on. What I want to build is a 600$ - 800$ Decent computer that I can upgrade from time to time.

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    Go to a computer dealer you trust. Then you say something like this: 'I've got 600 to 800 bucks to spend on a gaming computer. Give me the best you've got!'. Then he will make an offer. You take the offer home and think/google about it. And then you either go on by searching another dealer or buy it. Mission accomplished! :)

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    I was in the same position about a year ago and I went with iBuyPower. Good combination of picking what you want and pre-assembly; they'll make sure it works and stress-test the machine over 24 hours to ensure things run smoothly. My only issue was the monitor, which died just under a year after purchase, but that's because I cheaped out on it (ASUS replaced it with the quickness, so everything came out fine in the end). But iBP's support is great and I have no issues with the build I picked.

    Sort of "baby's first build," but it's an option!
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    I think you guys are kind of missing the point of me building a computer. I want a project that can give me entertainment, satisfaction, and a learning experience. Buying a pre-configured desktop kind of ruins the fun. Thanks for the suggestions anyway. I'm just going to post my current shopping list in the hopes that someone will point out problems, concerns, and suggestions.

    Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129042 $54.99
    My concern is that the Motherboard wont fit correctly in this case. It says that it fits a full size ATX(?) board and that's what I believe the mother board was listed as.

    CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819106001 $100
    Listed as an APU not sure if that would not allow me to use a graphics card along side of it.

    GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121559 $139.99
    Not sure how crazy I should go on a graphics card right now. I want to be able to play all the modern games but I don't want my price to go up to significantly.

    HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148840 $99.99
    I plan on buying a SSD later on. I need a decent amount of hard drive space as I do a lot of video editing.

    PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182200 $59.99 Overkill?

    RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148346 $20.99

    MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131736 $184.99 CD/DVD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106289 $16.99
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    Succinctly;

    * Your case/motherboard sizes are fine, don't worry about it. This is only ever a concern if you're building micro atx (you ain't).
    * Don't put any stock in APU if you're buying a dedicated GPU anyway. You may be able to do some crossfire nonsense with it (google) but this shouldn't be the crux of your purchasing decision.
    * Whatever GPU you're interested in do some quick googling for benchmarks. You may find that a budget card from the new series of cards performs the same/worse than a mid-range card from the previous series which may in itself end up being cheaper. I'd pump as much cash into this area as you're willing to. Ignore the bullshit AMD/NVidia jihad that idiots subscribe to and go for whatever's best at your price range at that moment.
    * You want a minimum of 8gb RAM and the stuff you picked is a lot slower than the motherboard allows (1333 vs 1866). This is pretty cheap these days even for the good stuff so I'd recommend spending a little extra.

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    I agree with running 8Gb of memory, but any more isn't really worth the money.

    The only problem you'll have with cases sizes is getting some of the longer graphics cards to fit, it might be worth checking this out (sizes should be available online after a little googling).

    I'm not convinced that your processor fits in your motherboard, the processor says socket FM1, the motherboard AM3+, but I'm not up with AMD's latest (more of an Intel guy sorry).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuriKuri! View Post
    Succinctly;

    * Your case/motherboard sizes are fine, don't worry about it. This is only ever a concern if you're building micro atx (you ain't).
    * Don't put any stock in APU if you're buying a dedicated GPU anyway. You may be able to do some crossfire nonsense with it (google) but this shouldn't be the crux of your purchasing decision.
    * Whatever GPU you're interested in do some quick googling for benchmarks. You may find that a budget card from the new series of cards performs the same/worse than a mid-range card from the previous series which may in itself end up being cheaper. I'd pump as much cash into this area as you're willing to. Ignore the bullshit AMD/NVidia jihad that idiots subscribe to and go for whatever's best at your price range at that moment.
    * You want a minimum of 8gb RAM and the stuff you picked is a lot slower than the motherboard allows (1333 vs 1866). This is pretty cheap these days even for the good stuff so I'd recommend spending a little extra.
    Thanks! The RAM I just lumped in there because I knew it was a cheap purchase. I probably wont bother to buy it online as I probably can get it cheaper in person.

    The question I had about the APU is if I could run it along side a dedicated graphics card but I think you inadvertently answered that

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    @Feldspar: Completely missed your post as we posted around the same time. I believe you are 100% right about the processor and I removed it off my list to replace it with a better 6 core anyway.

    Now I have another question the graphics card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121559) that I was looking at is listed as a PCI Express 3.0 x16 but my Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131736) lists only PCI Express 2.0 x16. I'm going to assume that those two are incompatible too. Right?

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    You might need to check this up (read: definitely need to read deeper) but my understanding is that PCI express is backwards compatible in both directions, meaning a 3.0 card will work in a 2.0 socket and vice versa, but you will not be getting the full bandwidth. It might be worth shopping around for a motherboard with 3.0, but I'm not sure how much this is supported as it is a fairly new feature, it might mean paying more, but as I read it it's not a fantastic frame rate increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethDonald View Post
    I think you guys are kind of missing the point of me building a computer. I want a project that can give me entertainment, satisfaction, and a learning experience. Buying a pre-configured desktop kind of ruins the fun.
    I'm afraid that if you live in USA you won't have any fun building a PC because everything is readily available and cheap. So you just pick whatever's on top at the moment on newegg and get a free shipping to boot.

    (What's on top at the moment: i5-2400 if you don't OC, i5-2550K if you do, Radeon HD 7850. And no, 8GB of RAM is not "a minimum")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohorovicic View Post
    I'm afraid that if you live in USA you won't have any fun building a PC because everything is readily available and cheap. So you just pick whatever's on top at the moment on newegg and get a free shipping to boot.
    How is this a bad thing?

    Anyway, I think I've got the hang of what I need. But any suggestion on GPU? There is so many choices.

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    right, please don't take this the wrong way but that build you set up is just... weird.

    Don't even consider AMD at the moment. really, it isnt worth it.

    I'm just going to list you some bare bones to start with, which really are the most important components.

    a good quality branded power supply $99:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139032

    a good quality, feature rich motherboard $169:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128498

    a quick at stock frequency, good value for money and capable overlocking processor $219:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115072

    8GB of good quality, fast RAM from a company with great customer service $49:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233144

    A good entry graphics card that will allow you to game at max settings up to 1920x1080 $154:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161389

    you could shave some cash off by dropping to a Core i5 2300 or dropping down to a 6850 but I really would not skimp on the rest of it. What I have listed is good value and good quality. Do not even think about buying a Rosewill power supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamikaze-X View Post
    right, please don't take this the wrong way but that build you set up is just... weird.

    Don't even consider AMD at the moment. really, it isnt worth it.

    I'm just going to list you some bare bones to start with, which really are the most important components.

    a good quality branded power supply $99:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139032

    a good quality, feature rich motherboard $169:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128498

    a quick at stock frequency, good value for money and capable overlocking processor $219:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115072

    8GB of good quality, fast RAM from a company with great customer service $49:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233144

    A good entry graphics card that will allow you to game at max settings up to 1920x1080 $154:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161389

    you could shave some cash off by dropping to a Core i5 2300 or dropping down to a 6850 but I really would not skimp on the rest of it. What I have listed is good value and good quality. Do not even think about buying a Rosewill power supply.
    I really appreciate this post. My build was probably weird just because I threw everything that I thought I needed into the list while making sure the price was low. Like I said I had never built a computer before and didn't even know what an ATX board or a APU processor was. My list has changed a lot and I'll post it when i'm back on my computer that has the file saved.

    I shifted more towards an AMD build because I have no brand loyalty and they seamed to be a bit more budget minded. I may shift over toward your list as everyone seems to be telling me to go Intel.

    Edit: That power supply seems a little low wattage. I obviously don't know much about building a computer but everything i've read said I would need >600W. Oh, and those reviews.
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    The new build


    CPU:


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819106012
    AMD Phenom II X6 1045T Thuban 2.7GHz Socket AM3 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT45TWFGRBOX
    $149.99

    MoBo:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128514
    GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
    $144.99

    GPU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150599
    XFX Double D Black Edition FX-777A-ZDB4 Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
    $159.99

    PSU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139025
    CORSAIR Gaming Series GS800 800W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
    $124.99

    RAM:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231550
    G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-8GAB
    $59.99

    Case:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129042
    Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    $54.99

    Just throw in a HDD and it's good by me. But once again suggestions would be nice.

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    Hi,

    me again, sorry for not checking the reviews on that PSU. Keep in mind however that Newegg have probably sold hundreds of that same unit.

    In regards to picking a PSU and the wattage you require, you really do not need more than about 500-600W for the kind of set up you are building, and even then, the PSU will probably never go over 350W or so.

    Its all about good quality, constant power delivery at efficient levels.

    Take that Rosewill one, for example. They say 600W. that is the maximum load that it can take. probably for oooh, ten seconds before your PC fries. In reality, the safe wattage is probably 400W constant, due to the crap components they use.

    Corsair and the other quality manufactuers like Tagan, Enermax et al use good quality components. The power delivery they give you is the peak safe load. They say 600W, it will deliver 600W safely constantly and will have an overhead. My Coolermaster powersupply is rated for 850w and is safe up to 1000W if needs must, for example.

    But, as I previously said you will need no more than 600W. 600W will be fine even if you went dual graphics card and multiple hard disks in the future.

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    I know that AMD is cheaper, but IMO it's a false economy. I went the same route 18 months ago, now I'm looking to upgrade already. If I had stumped the extra quid for an Intel i5 2500k back then, I wouldn't be needed to get a new CPU and mobo now.

    Intel is just the smart choice at the moment, worth the extra pounds.

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    @Kamikaze-X: Thanks for clearing that up. I tried using the newegg PSU suggester thing and it liked to jump from 600 to 1200. I'll stick to your suggested brands as I have heard horror stories about bad power supplys.

    @Jorvikan: Like I said before everyone has told me to build Intel so it looks like I'm going to pull my list apart again. I'll probably base my choices around Kamikaze-X's list.

    Thanks everyone again! I know the hardest part about building a computer is choosing the components and you guys are making it easier.

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    If you can, try and get a modular power supply. It really does make all the difference when you are trying to tidy your PC.

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    MoBo:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128498
    GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
    $154.99

    CPU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115072
    Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K
    $219.99

    GPU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161389
    HIS H687FN1GD Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
    $154.99

    Case:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129042
    Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    $54.99

    PSU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139025
    CORSAIR Gaming Series GS800 800W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
    $124.99

    RAM:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233144
    CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
    $49.99

    HDD:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148681
    Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    $119.99

    I think this might be it. I want to buy it all at once so I wont be running parts out of their warranty. Of course it will take a couple months before I can scrounge up all the money I need so the list may change mildly.
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    looks pretty good to me.

    have you factored in the cost of a windows install?

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