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    There are a couple of problems I see now:

    First of all, the start of the game is agonizingly slow and uninteresting, more so than even Haven & Hearth. I don't understand why this was set up this way because unlike H&H, being in a group of people doesn't even speed things up significantly and you can basically do nothing when you just start out, not even pick up branches. This has to be adjusted.

    It's really hard to find people to play with and bring them to wherever you want to settle. Sure, everyone can meet up in Boston, but if you pay 20 silver to get a homestead to get away from people and towards resources, only the person paying gets transported making actually playing with each other really difficult. In H&H by contrast, you could give a person a hearth secret and they could start the game next to your hearth fire, making community settlements fairly painless to set up.

    Boston sucks. In early versions of H&H, there way a starting point for every player. Soon enough, the area surrounding it was a labyrinth of undeveloped claims with no tree in sight. This is happening here too. The no-building zone around the city is only a band-aid. You can't find anything useful for at least half an hour in any direction, and you need 20 silver to even get a convenient way to travel while keeping your inventory.

    This is just so badly thought-out considering the experiences of the developer's previous game, it's amazing. In H&H, you start in the middle of nowhere, you can build everything you need by yourself/with friends and there is no wasteland around a starting city anymore, which is so much better for a crafting MMO. Get rid of Boston completely.

    Otherwise though, I like the complexity of the various resources you have. It's really quirky and strange, and I'll stick to it at least for a while to see how it goes. My complaints are major though, and I don't see a big future for this game if they repeat the mistakes of their previous one.

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    Why the hell would a fresh settler need some stone anyways? Instead of ie. making a fire, finding food?

    This game seems to be filled with ridiculous mechanic just to waste players' time. And I feel quite offended that the beta offered to me isn't actually playable at all, it's a barely working version. Surely not going to spend time helping devs while not getting paid for it if they show no good will to help the players so that they can enjoy the game at least to same degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smashbox View Post
    Seems like the time to ask: when you're lost, are you totally screwed?

    EDIT: Answer I found: no. You can teleport back to Boston and retain your inventory.
    Well I am lost and it says I can't teleport back to Boston without an empty inventory. I'm pretty much dropping the game for now.

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    I think the attitude that this is somehow 'unplayable' is kinda missing the point; betas are not previews. For smaller developers, betas are essential periods to get feedback on work heavily in progress. It requires work by the beta testers, not just the developers. Expecting to just be able to just pick up and play the game is totally the wrong attitude.

    I guess it might be a recent thing - what with purchaseable betas and large companies opening betas to the public. A few years ago people signed up for a beta because they wanted to help a developer make a game they wanted to play. They expected it to be hard work. Not to start playing the game before everyone else...

    There are tutorial videos on youtube, there's a forum you can use, there's in game chat. Use them.

    I'll admit that the number of people they've let in given the availability of bottom-tier resources is a mistake. But this is a beta. Expect mistakes.

    If it's not fixed near release, then you might have a reason to complain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alset85 View Post
    Well I am lost and it says I can't teleport back to Boston without an empty inventory. I'm pretty much dropping the game for now.
    That's weird. I wonder what the rules are on that. I was trying to test the teleportation, based on your previous post, and it allowed me to keep my crappy twigs. Then again, I wasn't that far from the city. Perhaps it has to do with distance from the town center or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nox View Post
    And I feel quite offended that the beta offered to me isn't actually playable at all, it's a barely working version. Surely not going to spend time helping devs while not getting paid for it if they show no good will to help the players so that they can enjoy the game at least to same degree.

    You were satirising the people who are complaining about the current state of the game, right? Because that "us beta testers are doing this out of the goodness of our hearts" thing was kind of funny.

    @Smashbox

    Are you teleporting from your homestead? You can teleport from your homestead or if you have nothing in your inventory.
    Last edited by Abacus Finch; 26-04-2012 at 02:48 PM.

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    I planned on watching a season of Curb your Enthusiasm this evening, so I might as well play this on the side and help people out.

    Here's the thing: I got myself a homestead from the town. If you know what you're doing it's fairly easy if potentially time-consuming. You only need two Indian items to get the money. Just follow a river or walk towards one of the cardinal directions so you find back to Boston with your loot.

    I haven't built much and the terrain is very uneven, but there's plenty of stuff to pick up around here and I can potentially earn quite a bit of money. It should be enough to get started and see what we can do.

    Now, I set my hearth secret to rps_malawi. Open your buddy list and enter that into "Make kin by hearth secret". I don't know how the process after that works exactly, but we can then form a party which allows you to see my position with an arrow. You can walk towards that arrow to my position. Make sure you have a lot of time on your hands, it may take a while (I can't know). Pick up stuff to study and eat along the way. Get the cheapest skills first so you can do something when you get here.

    My Steam profile is here if you need any help figuring this out. I don't really know how reliable in-game chat system is, so that's just for convenience.

    Hopefully we can get a couple of people together. It might even become fun.

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    Might join you Malawi, although I'd need to convince the guy I teamed up with yesterday to come along too. We have a little camp going but we don't have a homestead (and have no idea where Boston is). We have 4 arrowheads between us so that will get us a bit of silver when we find you OR Boston.

    The bane of my existence right now are nails. If I had nails I could set up a leanto and a sawbuck and I'd probably be fine. I don't know if I'd need to get Settling before the leanto would register as a Homestead, though, so my search for Boston will continue.

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    Did you travel far? I could stand in Boston for you to find back, or at least get you the general direction. You won't get nails or a homestead without the location of Boston.

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    Oooh sounds like a plan.

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    Do you want me to come on now? I don't have a problem afking in Boston or our camp for a while, but do mind that it's a 3-4 hour trek to the camp (of two).

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    I'm the one other in Malawi's camp, and let me tell you I couldn't believe how long it took to get there.

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    I just hiked back to Boston. I added you to my buddy list, how do I go about joining the team? Do I need to be invited? Will I be able to join the homestead or will teleporting be a no no?
    Last edited by Abacus Finch; 26-04-2012 at 09:33 PM.

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    You need to be in a party with someone at the camp. Then you walk towards the arrow. There is no other way.

    By the way, there is a custom client with a couple of nice features out, including an automapper (thank god): http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...lient-by-Ender

    Edit: Really get that client. It has a resizable minimap with an item radar.
    Last edited by Malawi Frontier Guard; 26-04-2012 at 11:16 PM.

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    Wow that client is fantastic!

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    Added you to my kin hearth Malawi. Hopefully will be able to group up if you don't mind.
    is it worth getting a homestead first? And once you pay the 20's does it teliporter you to a destination or can you place one somewhere yourself?

    I have a few skills now, finding it hard to get the ones i want. Mainly because no leaves to be picked any where.
    had an inventory full of arrows on My first outing, not realising you could sell them. Ended up getting killed by a random player.

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    I'm pretty unshocked that Salem is bad. The devs didn't seem to have learnt ANYTHING from H&H, which is a real shame.

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    Bah! My game crashed and remained logged in so I can't play anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alset85 View Post
    Bah! My game crashed and remained logged in so I can't play anymore.
    Tried restarting your internet connection? Happened to me when I tried turning shadows on and that let me log in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abacus Finch View Post
    Tried restarting your internet connection? Happened to me when I tried turning shadows on and that let me log in.
    Doesn't work.

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