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    Possible Terorrist Situation in Sydney

    At the moment two or possible more people took 13 hostages in Sydney's coffee shop in the middle of CBD.
    current livestream via Channel Seven:
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watc...7-live-sydney/

    Guardian Live Feed:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia...lace-cafe-live

    Hopefully it will be uneventful and forgetable. It does hit home as I am at work fairly closely to that place at the moment.
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    Hopefully this ends without casualties.
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    Looks like it really is Islamic terrorists (at the time of this writing).
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    to wound the autumnal city.

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    Thousands of workers across the city have been sent home early and some of the city's major buildings evacuated.They include the Opera House, the State Library, Channel Seven, the NSW parliamentary executive offices, the NSW Supreme Court's criminal courts, the Downing Centre, and several city legal chambers.


    And so merely hours later the response has already caused more disruption than the terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post


    And so merely hours later the response has already caused more disruption than the terrorists.
    what do you mean? The disruptions is caused by terrorists.
    We also were allowed to leave work. I am staying though as I have some stuff to do but probably will leave before 5 so I minimize being stuck with tens of thousands of people leaving CBD at the same time at five.

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    Hope everyone gets out safe, and the suspect apprehended.

    These random and individual and inspired attacks are just extremely disappointing. It's not enough to hope that people don't get these ideas anymore I guess.

    Kind of amazing how one could view causing such fear and disruption to innocent people as honourable or productive. Very sad.

    Also yea no idea why to put the blame on the police response here. That's kind of ludicrous.

    Anyway hope everyone gets out safe and everyone can get back to what they were doing before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    what do you mean? The disruptions is caused by terrorists.
    No, the great majority of the disruption is caused by overreacting to the very minor threat posed by terrorists. To be fair, Tony Abbott appears to realise this, which is why he has called for people to go about their usual business, but clearly the right hand of government is not speaking to the left hand, which is intent on creating as much havoc and disruption as possible and therefore allowing the terrorists to win.

    And we haven't even got to the aftermath of all the hideous legislation, spending bills, etc. that will undoubtedly be passed in the wake of this incident, further cementing the terrorist's victory. Of course the incumbent government will find the incident a useful catalyst for bolstering its support and pursuing its own priorities, as it and other governments have in the past. In that sense you could say that the terrorist phenomenon considered as a whole is actually a mutually beneficial partnership between terrorists, media organisations, and governments -- which is why it continues to enjoy such a high profile in the public consciousness, all rational assessments to the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    No, the great majority of the disruption is caused by overreacting to the very minor threat posed by terrorists. To be fair, Tony Abbott appears to realise this, which is why he has called for people to go about their usual business, but clearly the right hand of government is not speaking to the left hand, which is intent on creating as much havoc and disruption as possible and therefore allowing the terrorists to win.

    And we haven't even got to the aftermath of all the hideous legislation, spending bills, etc. that will undoubtedly be passed in the wake of this incident, further cementing the terrorist's victory. Of course the incumbent government will find the incident a useful catalyst for bolstering its support and pursuing its own priorities, as it and other governments have in the past. In that sense you could say that the terrorist phenomenon considered as a whole is actually a mutually beneficial partnership between terrorists, media organisations, and governments -- which is why, all rational assessments to the contrary, it continues to enjoy such a high profile in the public consciousness.
    Firstly. They do not know what to expect. We saw what a bunch of idiots can do in Boston London bali and other places.
    People are scared.
    People are dangerous and can interfere. They need to stay away. And since its literally on the middle of city it means evacuating surrounding buildings.
    We don't know whether it's the only attack. Opera house is a symbol of Australia. An attack on it would send a powerful message

    And disruption is not.big small part of city is closed off. Many people are getting few hours out of work and the life continues like it normally does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    Firstly. They do not know what to expect. We saw what a bunch of idiots can do in Boston London bali and other places.
    People are scared.
    People are dangerous and can interfere. They need to stay away. And since its literally on the middle of city it means evacuating surrounding buildings.
    We don't know whether it's the only attack. Opera house is a symbol of Australia. An attack on it would send a powerful message

    And disruption is not.big small part of city is closed off. Many people are getting few hours out of work and the life continues like it normally does
    Agreed.

    I'm not sure what your point is, Lethe, aside from positioning yourself as a cool-headed cynic, aloof from the myopic fears of ordinary people. Exactly which parts of the official response do you consider unnecessary or excessive, let alone calculated to maximise disruption?

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    Forgive my ignorance, what is CBD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenz View Post
    Forgive my ignorance, what is CBD?
    Central Business District -- basically the heart of the city, as distinct from the surrounding suburbs.

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    Thanks, should' ve guessed it.
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    This's weird. What has Australia done wrong to deserve this attention of the bad guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squirrel View Post
    This's weird. What has Australia done wrong to deserve this attention of the bad guys?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_affair
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ch..._boat_disaster

    But thats just my sampling, maybe something else here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._controversies

    Quite a few to do with Afghanistani nationals.

    Fact is, not all terrorists need to be part of some international movement, they could be mourning relatives or friends who are lashing out for personal reasons, so maybe its non of this.
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    It appears there was a shootout just some minutes ago. Two dead, some injured; including the hostage taker it seems.
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    to wound the autumnal city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    No, the great majority of the disruption is caused by overreacting to the very minor threat posed by terrorists. To be fair, Tony Abbott appears to realise this, which is why he has called for people to go about their usual business, but clearly the right hand of government is not speaking to the left hand, which is intent on creating as much havoc and disruption as possible and therefore allowing the terrorists to win.

    And we haven't even got to the aftermath of all the hideous legislation, spending bills, etc. that will undoubtedly be passed in the wake of this incident, further cementing the terrorist's victory. Of course the incumbent government will find the incident a useful catalyst for bolstering its support and pursuing its own priorities, as it and other governments have in the past. In that sense you could say that the terrorist phenomenon considered as a whole is actually a mutually beneficial partnership between terrorists, media organisations, and governments -- which is why it continues to enjoy such a high profile in the public consciousness, all rational assessments to the contrary.
    Slippery slope much? Unnecessary cynical banter which is completely unproductive and insensitive. Entirely inappropriate.

    A similar episode happened in Canada recently, just a month ago actually. There was none of this excessive reworking of legislation that you are speaking of.

    Drawing a bunch of crude relationships between several parties and then determining the excessive police response without so much as any single remotely concrete explanation is something you should leave to the paranoid. Those are not comments from wisdom, that much is obvious.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    Firstly. They do not know what to expect. We saw what a bunch of idiots can do in Boston London bali and other places.
    People are scared.
    People are dangerous and can interfere. They need to stay away. And since its literally on the middle of city it means evacuating surrounding buildings.
    We don't know whether it's the only attack. Opera house is a symbol of Australia. An attack on it would send a powerful message

    And disruption is not.big small part of city is closed off. Many people are getting few hours out of work and the life continues like it normally does
    Thank you.

    Also apparently they have brought the identity of the attacker out now, they think it is some Muslim cleric who was living in Australia.
    The operation began shortly after a police source named the gunman as Man Haron Monis, an Iranian refugee and self-styled sheikh facing multiple charges of sexual assault as well as being an accessory to murder.
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    Holy smokes, the first video from here is nuts. How many flash bangs did they use? Unless they used a dazzler of some kind?
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    Is it over?
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    It was over yesterday. The hostage taker was killed and some reports said 1 other person killed and others said 2 others.

    In an unrelated incident, today (or yesterday) over 150 students were murdered in Pakistan by terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman29 View Post
    It was over yesterday. The hostage taker was killed and some reports said 1 other person killed and others said 2 others.

    In an unrelated incident, today (or yesterday) over 150 students were murdered in Pakistan by terrorists.
    Three people died in Sydney. The criminal who shot one person (the manager on duty of the caffee) and a lady who died from cardiac arrest.

    and what happened in Pakistan is just awful. How evil you have to be to target children like that even if it is a retalitation against people who killed your children.

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