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    General Moan about Apple Music

    Yes... I know... crucify me for using an Apple Product.

    Recently Apple updated their iTunes to Apple Music. Which I was all for... but these changes have now screwed me over.

    I work in an environment where I hardly get a phone signal, and I definately do not get any internet on my phone. At all.

    So... what does Apple Music expect all of it's users to have? A steady internet connection on their device. Fair enough, they are pushing their streaming service. It's why I had a lot of music downloaded on to my device... so I could sit and listen to what I wanted rather than the shitty radio station in the office.

    But... the first thing Apple Music did... was wipe my device of all my downloaded music. Great... Fantastic.

    So I go home, synch up my device so I get all my music back. Not bad, it lasted for a few days.

    But now it has gone and wiped it all again! I dunno when this happened. So now, I'm sat in working, listening to this god damn awful radio station wishing I could listen to my music on my device...

    I know Apple aren't going to read this, but I needed to vent.

    Why can't I just store/listen to my music, on my device, without requiring a god damn internet connection? I really don't think I'll get a decent connection while I'm in this job.

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    Streaming services are fucking bullshit and I hope they will all* go away. They're just making rich guys richer and poor guys poorer.
    And streaming services in mobile world, where you already have to charge your fucking smartphone every day, are a steaming, stinking pool of bull's diarreha. I don't know why would you want to pay for mobile net bandwidth and had your phone battery running dry even faster if you can just buy 32GB SD card and fill it with your fauvorite songs.



    *But of course not these like Soundcloud or Bandcamp which serve as a very useful tool for artists in first place and only offer streaming as part of this tool.

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    I use Juno for the majority of my djing stuff
    Google for more commercial stuff (its better quality mp3 than Apple or amazon)
    Bandcamp for finding rare new stuff
    Soundcloud if track is cheaper than on Juno

    Mostly Juno though as its more catered to British & German tastes and isn't owned by people killing dance music with commercialisation like bloody beatport

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    I'm on a crapy slow-speed connection (due to cost saving and being stuck on a 2 year contract) so streaming services are out for me.
    That said, I've recently been trying out Spotify on my PC and I like it quite a bit. For me, the key point is the playlists. It's a way for me to find new music, or music I'd forgotten about, or just make a decision about what to listen to. I have a 32gb SD card of my music on my phone, but I can never decide what to listen to so I basically listen to the most recent albums I got, or a couple of all time classics like Nevermind. Spotify playlists get me out of that rut.

    I can't really stream from Google Music, but I can download when I'm on wi-fi, such as at home. I don't use it that much, but afaik it will allow you to pin albums for offline listening. I don't know if it's accessible on i-devices.
    The cool thing about google music is it lets you upload all your mp3s, and then basically gives you a legal copy of all of them. So, if you *ahem* happen to have acquired a lot of mp3s back in the days of things like napster, you can get legal cloud stored versions of them.. at higher quality too.

    that said, I'd imagine the issues you are having are just because Apple Music is new and all new services have teething troubles.

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    That...definitely sounds like a glitch. I mean, I hate Apple, but I definitely don't expect they would just forcibly delete someone's offline stuff. Have you checked the filesystem to see if the original M4Ps/MP3s are there?

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    Yeah, I dunno... it probably has bugs that need ironing out. I had 11gig of storage on my device yesterday, go home to download some albums for offline, I manage to download 1.5gig before my device says I have no storage space left...

    Gonna have a root around tonight and see whats what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    I'm on a crapy slow-speed connection (due to cost saving and being stuck on a 2 year contract) so streaming services are out for me.
    That said, I've recently been trying out Spotify on my PC and I like it quite a bit. For me, the key point is the playlists. It's a way for me to find new music, or music I'd forgotten about, or just make a decision about what to listen to. I have a 32gb SD card of my music on my phone, but I can never decide what to listen to so I basically listen to the most recent albums I got, or a couple of all time classics like Nevermind. Spotify playlists get me out of that rut.

    I can't really stream from Google Music, but I can download when I'm on wi-fi, such as at home. I don't use it that much, but afaik it will allow you to pin albums for offline listening. I don't know if it's accessible on i-devices.
    The cool thing about google music is it lets you upload all your mp3s, and then basically gives you a legal copy of all of them. So, if you *ahem* happen to have acquired a lot of mp3s back in the days of things like napster, you can get legal cloud stored versions of them.. at higher quality too.

    that said, I'd imagine the issues you are having are just because Apple Music is new and all new services have teething troubles.
    The other good thing with Google, all their mp3s are untrimmed 320mbps, apples are 245mbps and amazons are all over the place.

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    I gave up on Apple after the first iPhone. I detest iTunes and I cannot stand their enforced walls in their systems. I am much happier with an Android phone which I can literally use as a mini computer and external hard drive. Copy paste my music and videos (any format I fucking want to, not enforced bullshit from Apple) on it and do what I want with it.

    I don't understand anyone who is vaguely computer literate that prefers iPhones.

    Granted their hardware is pretty. But that's not enough reason to use them, let alone pay so much for them.

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    Basically it's about the software ecosystem for me. There are a ton of iPad games that haven't made it to Android yet. The better boardgame adaptations in particular.

    I have a Nexus 7 as well as various iOS devices, and I much prefer Android as an OS. If I could get the games I play heavily on iOS on Android I'd leave iOS entirely.

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    Not convinced by streaming music service, and by extension, Apple Music. Prefer to own my own digital or CD copies of each track. Maybe it just me, I do not like thought that enjoyment of music can be disturbed in event of internet outage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana View Post
    That...definitely sounds like a glitch. I mean, I hate Apple, but I definitely don't expect they would just forcibly delete someone's offline stuff. Have you checked the filesystem to see if the original M4Ps/MP3s are there?
    Well.... http://www.loopinsight.com/2015/07/2...-done-with-it/

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    Quote Originally Posted by karaquazian View Post
    The other good thing with Google, all their mp3s are untrimmed 320mbps, apples are 245mbps and amazons are all over the place.
    Ah yes, bitrates. Ignoring the fact that Apple's AAC codec is better than MP3, which removes the bitrate discrepancy. There was a review of all the services recently that I'm struggling to find again, and Apple came out perfectly on par in terms of quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Futbol View Post
    Not convinced by streaming music service, and by extension, Apple Music. Prefer to own my own digital or CD copies of each track. Maybe it just me, I do not like thought that enjoyment of music can be disturbed in event of internet outage.
    Eh, the iTunes store still exists. Its not like Apple Music has removed sales. Plus a lot of services offer offline playback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cei View Post
    Ah yes, bitrates. Ignoring the fact that Apple's AAC codec is better than MP3, which removes the bitrate discrepancy. There was a review of all the services recently that I'm struggling to find again, and Apple came out perfectly on par in terms of quality.


    Eh, the iTunes store still exists. Its not like Apple Music has removed sales. Plus a lot of services offer offline playback.
    Yeah but Apple trim the bottom, which is the default for mp3, m4p & Aac. not that important for listening on most home hifi setups, but important to me when djing as I need them sub bass frequencies. That said, I get flac files when i can, as just sound better (cd quality). Also while 245aac is comparable with 320mp3 for normal listening, when I'm slowing tracks to beatmatch, the 320s seem to key lock better and give me a little more room to change the bpm before sounding weird. Obviously wavs and flacs perform better than both though.
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    I choose Apple over Android because software ecosystem, because walled gardens mean sweet FA to the average user, because the hardware "just works" where Android frequently doesn't, because developers cater for whole of the user base and not the .00001% with more money than sense who keep buying into top-end tablets/Nvidia's nonsense for no reason at all (which represent far worse value for money than any of Apple's inflated premiums)... oh, I could go on. That said, I prefer my Android phone (just a cheapie Moto G) as my music player, and iOS's ageing GUI and almost total lack of customisation certainly does grate.

    On topic, I can understand the appeal of streaming services - I think it's inevitable that the next generation (at least in the developed world, East or West) don't care about "owning" things, think of the internet and bandwidth as ubiquitous and just want everything right there 24/7. But they're not for me. Games are one thing, but music, I need my files, and I need complete control over where they go and when. Thankfully Apple didn't seem to even start me on the free trial, for whatever reason. Needless to say I shan't be trying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cei View Post
    Ah yes, bitrates. Ignoring the fact that Apple's AAC codec is better than MP3, which removes the bitrate discrepancy. There was a review of all the services recently that I'm struggling to find again, and Apple came out perfectly on par in terms of quality.
    Personally I can't tell much difference in terms of things like bitrates. At least not on the hardware that I'm using. I'm pretty sure they did some blind tests with audiophiles and vinyl/cd/mp3 etc and they couldn't tell the difference either, despite claiming that they could. But anyway, I can't.

    However, the fact that google will give you high bitrate official copies of all the badly encoded unofficial tracks that you might possess isn't to be sniffed at. While I can't tell the difference between a well encoded track at most bitrates, I can notice a badly encoded track with static/distortion. Plus, if you want to convert the tracks to another format in future then having a higher bitrate version would probably be better for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    Personally I can't tell much difference in terms of things like bitrates. At least not on the hardware that I'm using. I'm pretty sure they did some blind tests with audiophiles and vinyl/cd/mp3 etc and they couldn't tell the difference either, despite claiming that they could. But anyway, I can't.

    However, the fact that google will give you high bitrate official copies of all the badly encoded unofficial tracks that you might possess isn't to be sniffed at. While I can't tell the difference between a well encoded track at most bitrates, I can notice a badly encoded track with static/distortion. Plus, if you want to convert the tracks to another format in future then having a higher bitrate version would probably be better for that.
    Vinyl has less top end than cd/wav/flac, but some say richer mid frequencies. Cd is higher quality than mp3, I can tell immediately difference between wav and mp3 on my monitor speakers and I would say its the same with a good hifi system with quality speakers, a standard off the shelf hifi maybe not, a phone definetly not, a noisy crowded bar less so too. It kind of depends on the music too, something with lots of low frequencies like dub, deep house or jungle the improvement with wav is much greater.

    You can't convert formats up, converting a mp3 to flac or wav doesn't improve the quality, it just increases the file size. Converting down is a trade off for less size while trying to minimize lower quality, bit quality will be lowered its the nature of compression.
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