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24-05-2013, 05:25 PM #381
Well, the main reason is tradition. In the case of Monaco, it's also because it's the major anomaly in Formula 1. A narrow, slow, dangerous track that wasn't engineered for boredom like most recent new venues. It requires a completely different mindset. Heck, I always dread Monaco when I play F1 games - because I know I pretty much won't be able to complete it unless I abuse flashbacks/saves. It's extremely tough to keep your focus for 2 hours with all the gear changes, braking, and futile attempts at overtaking.
That being said, the actual F1 races at Monaco do tend to be a bit boring because it's almost impossible to overtake. There are exceptions, but those usually happen only when there are a lot of crashes.
As for Indianapolis, I don't particularly care for watching races in ovals (although *driving* in them, as I remember from playing Nascar games a good while ago, is actually pretty fun).
24-05-2013, 06:20 PM #382
My natural underdog supporting tendencies mean I'll be supporting Dortmund, but I expect Bayern will win. However anyhting can happen, they underperformed massively against Chelsea last time round and that might just be in the back of their minds.
24-05-2013, 06:24 PM #383
Monaco is very tough indeed, and a near impossible level of concentration is needed, but I often wonder if it hasn't become too outdated. It seems we're stuck with it either way, and as a one-of-a-kind event it perhaps still has a purpose in highlighting the amazing speed and grip of these modern F1 cars. For the uninitiated:
24-05-2013, 06:39 PM #384
My dream Kickstarter would be Geoff Crammond coming back with a classic F1 game, recreating seasons and tracks from the 60s-90s. It's such a waste to have the admittedly very pretty Codemasters games racing on awful, boring tracks like Bahrain, South Korea, etc...
Also, I'll see your Button and raise you:
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24-05-2013, 07:48 PM #385
Well, I live in Dortmund and have been fan of the club since I can think, basically. I'd like us to win the cup, of course, but it's also hard to deny the Bayern players have kind of deserved it at this point. I'm oddly conflicted about this even though I really shouldn't be.to wound the autumnal city.
24-05-2013, 07:55 PM #386
24-05-2013, 10:55 PM #387
Another Dortmund supporter here. I like German football, but haven't payed much attention to the Bundesliga for some reason. From what I've seen though, Dortmund seems like a nice club with a great culture. Add that I like rooting for underdogs and dislike hegemonies (says the FC Barcelona supporter...) and the choice is pretty obvious for me. Never liked BM anyway, I don't see a lot of soul there.
24-05-2013, 11:07 PM #388
Senna was great as usual on Monaco, he might have had the superior equipment in some years, but there's a reason he won so many races at the track. The contrast with the Button clip is also quite nice: there were a lot more barriers a lot closer to the track when Senna was racing. Especially the swimming pool area looks like a maze compared to how open it is now.
25-05-2013, 01:17 AM #389
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Sign me up for Dortmund too. We Germans have a bit of a shizophrenic relationship to Bayern München, it's perhaps the most despised club in the Bundesliga because of its 'big money, no soul' image. They even got their own 'tribute' (that is, spite) song by the popular punk rock band 'Die Toten Hosen':
But as it's the only club that consistently does okay internationally, a lot of people forget that grudge when it comes to the Champion's League. Though in this case, with Dortmund as the other finalist, my guess is a majority of Germans would want Dortmund to win, except the Bayern and perhaps some die-hard Schalke fans.
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25-05-2013, 01:44 AM #390
Are Schalke and Dortmund local rivals or something?
I actually watched last year's final in Berlin. Most people did indeed seem to root for BM, but that's not surprising. Deciding that Chelsea was the lesser evil, I took refuge at the hotel and watched the game with some Dutch people. Good times!
25-05-2013, 02:43 AM #391
A native German can explain it better than I can, but yes, Schalke and Dortmund are fierce rivals, and I believe there's some sort of class divide as well (Schalke is more of a working class team, Dortmund more bourgeois).
25-05-2013, 06:52 PM #392
Not really. Both clubs are traditionally worker clubs, like most clubs in the Ruhrgebiet. This is also why the rivalry is relatively docile. No religious or political conflict, just two neighbors that really hate each other.
Bayern vs. Dortmund is much more of a contrast. Rich versus "poor". The jovial Bavarians against the stoic Prussians. North versus South.to wound the autumnal city.
25-05-2013, 08:23 PM #393
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26-05-2013, 12:18 PM #396
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I was mainly cheering for Dortmund because I wanted Klopp to get this before his team gets dismantled around him, but I have to say I smiled at Arjen Robben getting the winner and finally lifting that trophy. Was a very entertaining final, anyway. Credit to both teams.
In other news, Neymar is joining Barca and everyone else is doomed.
26-05-2013, 05:40 PM #397
It was definitely a nice moment for Robben. And it's nonsense like the following GIF that make me glad things turned out the way they did. The Champions League and the big tournaments are pretty much the only football I watch, and I'm always amazed how childish these grown men are (grabbing shirts, necks, raising hands & whining to the referee, etc.); the women do it too, but far less frequently.
26-05-2013, 07:05 PM #398
While Bayern definitely deserved it, and that gif you linked was indeed ugly, it's always useful to remember that hero-of-the-day Robben has always been notoriously dirty himself. He's the only one of the 22 that played that I actively dislike.
Very curious to see how Neymar will fare in Barcelona. The talent is definitely there, but I wonder if the recent 2-3 years of being spoiled rotten by the Brazilian media have made him beyond repair or not. I do hope not.
And Monaco, well, was Monaco. Very boring race with some exciting moments. And the fact that they raced under the safety car for the whole time (sometimes the official one, but mostly another Mercedes, Rosberg's) really drives home the silliness of the new tyres.
edit: apologies for the mistake regarding the Dortmund/Schalke rivalry.
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26-05-2013, 07:18 PM #399
Well I thought it was a pretty decent race. It's not always about the over-taking, of which there is admittedly little in Monaco, but just to see the cars race around. One of the few times where a spectacle event isn't such a bad thing. Don't remember the last time I saw a red flag! Glad that the next race, Montreal (now that IS a good track!), is shown fully live on BBC.
I had forgotten as well that Patrick Stewart is doing the intro/outro narrations. Lends this sense of authority to it all.
26-05-2013, 08:43 PM #400
Oh, my problem wasn't the overtaking. It's Monaco, you have to earn your overtakes there and the few that happened (especially Sutil's) were sensational. And I'm annoyed that Brazilian TV didn't show what kind of magic Raikkonen used to go from 16th to 10th in 4 laps. Perez was far, far too reckless, though.
On this subject, gotta love Raikonnen:
Asked if the drivers would talk to Perez, Raikkonen said: "That won't help. Maybe someone should punch him in the face."
My problem is that because of the stupid tyres the cars were going much more slowly and carefully than they should have been. I know tyre management has always been important, but it really sucks when it becomes *the* most important thing.