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03-05-2012, 12:09 AM #1
Tom Bisell' public inmolation: "Never have I been more content to be a console gamer"
Never have I been more content to be a console gamer. PC gamers like to lord over console gamers and claim that console games irrevocably dumb down PC game experiences. The PC Witcher 2 is said to be an unusually rich experience, but my suspicion is that it's actually just an incredibly complicated experience.The Witcher 2 was available to play only on PC — and only on highly powerful PCs at that.The Witcher 2's tutorial does the impossible: It somehow succeeds in making its already too-complicated gameplay systems harder to understand. It took me six and a half minutes to figure out how to make one potion.Then again, I played The Witcher 2 for only six hours;
Well this bro has made a several thousand words worth of rant, and most of it is not even making sense.
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03-05-2012, 12:15 AM #2
God, I love console gamers. They're so funny.
I love how bad most "game reviewers" these days are at games too. It's hilarious.
03-05-2012, 01:35 AM #3
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03-05-2012, 12:19 AM #7
"I don't recall, in my roughly six hours of play, any unusually memorable lines of dialogue."
True. I'm in Chapter III and nothing so far was as memorable as "your mother sucks dwarf cock".
I don't really like the game but I can't agree with his criticisms except for one: the "come back in the evening" part. I was also annoyed by that and it happened more than one time.
03-05-2012, 06:02 PM #8
Ves: "Don't think I have that frock anymore." (or something along those lines, the accent is key here)
Triss: "They're good people ... one of them even proposed to me."
No, they're not amazing lines that I'm going to write down in my Grand Collection of Awesome Quotes, they are memorable because they recall characters and situations that are memorable: Ves as 'one of the boys' and the unselfish camaraderie shared by Geralt and Triss respectively.
Of course these examples are from Witcher 1, but then that is the superior game.
If the mere subject matter was what made something mature (or otherwise worthwhile) then we would have to concede that the film about Edgar Allen Poe currently doing the rounds has something going for it, which of course it doesn't.
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03-05-2012, 12:42 AM #10
I thought I recognised that name from somewhere. Just saw that he wrote God Lives in Saint Petersburg. Pretty sure he was a the Edinburgh International Book Festival a number of years ago. Oh, duh, I see he wrote that piece about video games and too much coke as well.
Reading through the Mass Effect article he posted in Grantland, I think you're unfairly portraying him as dumb. His points in that seem pretty well thought out.
05-05-2012, 12:07 AM #11
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03-05-2012, 01:04 AM #12
I don't agree with most of his points, but to be honest I don't like any of the Wither games. I just don't find any of it particularly engaging, and I also can't pick out any memorable dialogue. I don't see why everyone thinks it's so incredibly mature; granted, it doesn't conform to the high fantasy middle-ages idea, but the fact that it includes prostitutes and lines like 'your mother sucks dwarf cock' doesn't really strike me as super mature.
Still I keep giving the series a chance every so often, but man it's tough going.
03-05-2012, 01:41 AM #13
Meanwhile we lambast Eastern European RPGs because they have (gasp) nudity and cursing, when ironically enough their female characters are actually change agents in the world and not just eye candy. Sure, there's still eye-candy (apparently some things are not lost in translation) but the game isn't just whores and lewd insults. In my opinion, it probably has the most mature depiction of a fantasy medieval world - warts and all, politics especially - than anything in this generation.
Similarly, we lambast JRPGs for their fetishized pre-pubescent girls and melancholy loser boys, but to say there's no there there because of that is just plain wrong. Everybody has their conventions, their touchstones, their grab-bag of tropes to allow audiences to familiarize themselves with the story. We cling to ours just as strongly as they cling to theirs, and we're all deeply flawed.
03-05-2012, 05:12 AM #14
Rather what I meant to say was that I don't believe that including such things makes the game mature. Adult-oriented in the same way that a movie like Saw isn't intended for kids, but not like Planescape Torment dealing with more mature themes. I don't actually object to the content, but I don't think that it should be hailed as the mature game of the decade just because it doesn't subscribe to the fantasy of valiant knights and crap that never actually happened.
Then again absolutely nothing in the storyline engages me and I don't really care for any of the characters (or maybe it's the gameplay which gets in the way) but that's just my opinion.
03-05-2012, 07:13 AM #15
I can and do discuss philosophy in pubs. Does the venue enhance the maturity? Probably not. Should we eschew pub scenes because they don't add to the maturity? Fuck no. Just because it's not universally staid doesn't mean it isn't mature. Similarly, I like to pepper my own speech with cursing. I say fuck a lot. Does saying "fuck" enhance the discussion? No. But it doesn't change the point, either.
My tangent was alluding to this point. We can pick apart anything if all you need to dismiss something is a piece of arguable immaturity. Likewise, not finding the subject matter interesting - as you say, the story doesn't engage you - doesn't change the subject matter.
Personally, after having played through the campaign one and a half times, the most memorable moments in my mind were Geralt's paid gig working for a ridiculous fop of a king he's contemptuous of for lack of better prospects, and Geralt's choice to throw a noble to an angry mob with insufficient evidence to condemn him because of the importance of morale in a nebulous rebellion.
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04-05-2012, 11:37 PM #17
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The game and the game world have things that clearly aren't appropriate for kids. There's rape, incest, executions, torture and cold blooded murder. Including that stuff doesn't automatically make the game mature, but the game handles it in a mature way. It's not fetishized, it's matter of fact and is there to explore the characters to the player.
I also think that the game treats the player as an adult in the way it presents information. To get the most out of the story you need to really pay attention and try to piece some things together for yourself. Some people are bound to just get confused, but I really appreciate it.
03-05-2012, 01:13 AM #18
It's a post to get pageviews, nothing more. If someone wants to close themselves off to a form of media then they are very welcome to. It's fucking stupid, but it's their life to do with as they wish.
03-05-2012, 01:18 AM #19
I can see why he might feel let down, although I'm somewhat bemused why someone who was happy with all the inventory fiddling in ME1 suddenly finds it a chore in The Witcher 2. But I'm not playing it on a console, and maybe they haven't designed the interface to be as intuitive as it could be for console controllers. No idea.
I do disagree with the point about the world not feeling grounded in slavic myth - I thought the beasties and general lore in the first witcher were quite distinctive, and it certainly felt more unique to me than most reworkings of genre fantasy. I've not read the books, but wouldn't mind reading them at some point. I can see why if you just played a short bit, you might feel that the dwarves and elves were all too familiar.
It reads like someone who has found the game design to be a real obstruction to getting into the narrative, and now can't be arsed and is judging the narrative on what little he can see. Maybe it's a bad port to the console. Shame if that's the case.
03-05-2012, 01:44 AM #20
Thing is we could agree the dialogues are not memorable, but fuck me if I remember any dialogue I had today. Is "videogame realism" now boiled down to perfect diction and rhythmic snarky dialogues? I crossed a chavette the other day that told me to fuck myself and go back to my country, it is not literature but it feels real. I have the same feeling in The Witcher, nobody is memorable or epic in the same way the guy that sells me bread everyday isn't. Welcome to low-fantasy, where everyone is average.
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