There's a mythical The Witcher 2, which /v/ and PC snobs praise, and then there's the real game.Originally Posted by Unaco
There's a mythical The Witcher 2, which /v/ and PC snobs praise, and then there's the real game.
Yes. And the real game is better than that mythical one, I know. Who would have thought it?
ARPS unofficial motto - And then we leave. No heroic stands.
No, I don't count Germany as part of eastern Europe.
Vladivostok is not in eastern Europe.
Turkey, right? Not in eastern Europe.
Decent answers.
Still not enough games to be a "scene" or "style" that can be "lambasted".
Odd, I played the game through once upon release and can still recall several lines:
Ves: "Don't think I have that frock anymore." (or something along those lines, the accent is key here)
Triss: "They're good people ... one of them even proposed to me."
No, they're not amazing lines that I'm going to write down in my Grand Collection of Awesome Quotes, they are memorable because they recall characters and situations that are memorable: Ves as 'one of the boys' and the unselfish camaraderie shared by Geralt and Triss respectively.
'Mature' is absolutely the right word here. That the games industry (amongst others) has been attempting to pervert its meaning for a good while now is all the more reason to continue using it correctly.
It's not the fact that it includes prostitutes that makes it mature, it's in how the prostitutes are depicted as characters as richly drawn and diverse as any others (I'm thinking particularly of the matron of Eager Thighs here, but blue-eyes also counts) and how prostitution is integrated into the world.
Of course these examples are from Witcher 1, but then that is the superior game.
If the mere subject matter was what made something mature (or otherwise worthwhile) then we would have to concede that the film about Edgar Allen Poe currently doing the rounds has something going for it, which of course it doesn't.
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"The game lets you speed time via meditation, but you can only come out of meditation during dawn, noon, dusk, and midnight. Thus I meditated until dusk and headed for my evening appointment. When I arrived, the guard said I was too early. I meditated till midnight and tried again. The guard now said I was too late. It's a small design detail, no doubt, but it's a telling one, and I should not have been obligated to stand there like a moron waiting for fake time to pass."
What a fucking idiot. You can meditate by the hour, not just those 4 times. Goddamn moron can't figure the game out, so he'll just complain about how bad it is.
"game sales for consoles destroys pc games completely why do u think they are so cheap on steam lol."
-Random console gamer
Reviewers should be obliged to go back to their reviews and add "Turns out I was a moron" in large red letters after every mistake they make in their reviews. It would make reviews more colourful, at least.
Irrelevant on further examination of the rest of the thread.
Right.... south-eastern Europe. ;)
Technically, ~97% of Turkey belongs to asia, but the border between asia and europe is more or less arbitary anyway. Going by strict geography, even Poland isn't eastern europe, it's central europe (though eastern if you go by cultural influences). Germany, even the former GDR, is definately not eastern euorpe, neither geographically nor culturally.
The dude played 6 hours, barely enough to even get through the first act. Reads like a twat. His half assed assessment is unimportant. Absence of a comments option says it all.
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Tradition is the tyranny of dead men
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Tom Bissell is basically just the gaming equivalent of the hipsters who write for Vice.
"Lets play GTA 4. On drugs!1!"
"It isn't as sophisticated as [insert 18th century belgian bohemian poet] therefore it's shit"
The fact he complains about Polish inspired names in one paragraph and then complains about the lack of Polishness in the next doesn't help.
Moving along.
@ Sirkicksalot
Your opinion =/ reality
Because you think a game isn't very good does not mean it isn't very good.
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I've found his book, Extra Lives: Why Video Games Matter, a really interesting read. The man is clearly passionate about video games even if you don't agree with his opinions or share his taste. Reading the book changed the way I experience video game, actually, made me aware of how I experience and enjoy video games.
He can be a little pretentious and I agree the GTA IV on a coke binge chapter was silly, to say the least. But we need more video games writers like Bisell that chalange us with their critism or go a little bit deeper than numeric scores for graphics, gameplay or story.
Lester Bangs and Simon Reynolds are my favourite rock critics, and I don't always agree with them (it's more 50/50) but I will read them if they make intersting points.
but the motherfucker has to play the game first.
^ This.
I'm all for criticism, but I'm not going to take a reviewer seriously if they've effectively just watched the first 20 minutes of a movie
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there was the guy who whined about how mass effect is broken unfair game... didn't realize that he could level up his characters. after being pointed out that fact he corrected the review and changed his opinion. Don't remember where and who was that but I respect him for that. Admitting your mistakes.
this guy should correct this mistake about meditation. if he does not then he is just a fucking loser.
On the other side of that, 20 minutes of a movie is a lot less of an investment of time when you're not enjoying something than is 6 hours. I think if I don't like something after 6 hours I'm probably not going to like it.
it's his job?
Yeah, 6 hours is about 5 hours and 45 minutes longer than I give games that I don't like.
Yeah you are totally right about this one, I don't particullary enjoy The Witcher series but that review was unfair. My comment was directed at all those people ditching the guy for his previous work.
The way I read Tom Bissell, he generally suffers from the inability to find anything other than terrible or wonderful. At first, I thought this was just because he only reviews games (or whatever) he finds at those extremes, but even within his reviews, aspects of the game are always terrible or wonderful.
Since he only has those two containers for everything, he really has to stretch sometimes with his justifications.
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