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03-05-2012, 10:16 AM #41
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"Mature" is usually just one of those terms that you use to praise some things while bashing others that appears to give more weight to your argument than "I kinda liked that and kinda didn't like the other".Irrelevant on further examination of the rest of the thread.
03-05-2012, 10:20 AM #42
03-05-2012, 10:23 AM #43
03-05-2012, 10:27 AM #44
Keeping away from cliches
Already mentioned morality greyness
Complexity of the world, sides
few things i guess which make games mature.
I also don't see how meaning of philosophy changes if it is interrupted by tits. @Jack. you didn't make argument either on how it does that so unaco and nalano's answers are the same as yours (you say yes, they say no)
it might act like distraction. So if a wet t-shirt contest is very obnoxious you might not hear a message of the philosophy... yet it does not change it. it just hides it.
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03-05-2012, 10:29 AM #45
Now, are the meanings of the two conversations different?
03-05-2012, 10:45 AM #46
03-05-2012, 10:51 AM #47
Take Starship Troopers: It starts with a scene of horrific violence, then cuts straight to american high-school drama. The meaning of that high-school drama would be totally altered without the first scene.
Here's Alfred Hitchcock:
03-05-2012, 11:07 AM #48
There's Arkane Studios (Arx Fatalis, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic), Quantic Dream's games aren't necessarily RPGs but do focus heavily on story (Fahrenheit, Heavy Rain). Nadeo is coming out with QuestMania in the future, which is thought to be based on their TrackMania and soon to be released ShootMania concepts centered around an accessible Track Editor, in the case of TrackMania. I also stumbled upon Aldorlea Games, who release new RPGs every now and then. They seem to be rather low-budget, though. Infogrames, Microïds and Ubisoft probably have some RPGs in their line-up as well.
Last edited by Tritagonist; 03-05-2012 at 11:07 AM. Reason: Spelling."He has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free". ~ Luke 4:18
03-05-2012, 11:20 AM #49
Just because there is a wet t-shirt contest going on, the platypi of the Subject/Object Metaphysics do not vanish. The philosophy stays the same.
03-05-2012, 11:41 AM #50
Geralt can say mature things, but the meaning of his words changes depending on his actions and the context his words appear in.
03-05-2012, 12:21 PM #51
Haven't played the game, but I understand the "gray," morally ambiguous setting of the Witcher as described.
Trying to understand JackShandy. The setting may provoke some thought, but being coupled in with sex collector cards or whatever kinda cheapens those parts, or at least makes it seem like the game is meant more for titillation than anything else. A Game of Thrones also has a morally ambiguous setting, but I wouldn't call it philosophical or particularly meaningful. Unless there is some congruent philosophical thread that can be taken from the juxtaposition of the gray morality and sex collector cards? Some overlying message that ties the two together? One seems world-directed and the other player-directed. Here's some fan service yo.
03-05-2012, 12:34 PM #52
03-05-2012, 12:45 PM #53
See, I don't have a problem with what he writes, he does make some good points. Personally, though, I think the way he makes his points really de-values them. Wow, so he knows stuff about Skinner and Kübler-Ross and some guy he knows couldn't play it on a six year old Dell. Those are all not points worth making like that (he could elaborate on them, though).
I must say I vastly prefer RPS' (for instance) reviews. I may not always have the same opinion, but at least the points are nearly always very well-put and comprehensible.
03-05-2012, 01:34 PM #54
Complex plot which does not involve you going on saving the world
Complex characters while in fantastical world are believable. Everyone has more than few sides to them and not just a single role
Deep meaningful conversation with various npcs
Philosophical theme on existence, sacrifice, loyalty and life
Brutality of human manipulation
It is way more mature than any other rpg i played. Fallout 1 is not very far but still cannot be compared to PST
03-05-2012, 02:35 PM #55
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03-05-2012, 02:46 PM #56
Witcher 2 didn't live up to the pre-release hype, thats for sure.
03-05-2012, 02:50 PM #57
03-05-2012, 02:55 PM #58Free speech don't mean unchallengeable speech.
03-05-2012, 03:19 PM #59
03-05-2012, 03:26 PM #60