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    Some UK ISPs Is Going to Block TPB?

    I know The Pirate Bay is not a welcome topic here, but I read this:
    http://about.piratereverse.info/proxy/

    According to TPB, the UK High Court is ordering some ISPs to block this website well known for circulating torrents for distributing copy-righted materials without authorization. However, is it righteous to forbid citizens to access certain kind of information they deem copy-right infringing?

    For the record, I can freely access TPB from my country so I do not intend to test the techniques myself, and I do not know about the risk of such techniques.

    For those whose access to TPB has already been blocked, here is a related news report:
    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ock-pirate-bay
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    Yeah, Virgin Media have already blocked TPB, but it's so trivial to circumvent that the block seems almost pointless. If you can't get around the block though, it's a good job that you can't just type "form of media +torrent" into Google or something, oh wait.
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    It seems the measures are having an opposite effect. TPB had the biggest number of visits in its history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NecroKnight View Post
    It seems the measures are having an opposite effect. TPB had the biggest number of visits in its history.
    From the UK? Excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NecroKnight View Post
    It seems the measures are having an opposite effect. TPB had the biggest number of visits in its history.
    http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-e...g-tips-120502/

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    There's nothing wrong with blocking the occasional website.
    Irrelevant on further examination of the rest of the thread.

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    I can't get too worked up about this. Primary service of TPB is distribution of copyrighted works, illegally. So, fair play to the courts and ISPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unaco View Post
    I can't get too worked up about this. Primary service of TPB is distribution of copyrighted works, illegally. So, fair play to the courts and ISPs.
    I'm very much anti-piracy, but that's bullshit. TPB don't distribute a thing. They're basically a torrent search engine as far as I'm aware.

    Google does the exact same thing, yet that's not being blocked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I'm very much anti-piracy, but that's bullshit. TPB don't distribute a thing. They're basically a torrent search engine as far as I'm aware.

    Google does the exact same thing, yet that's not being blocked.
    Yes, but TPB is not Google, and vice versa. Google has many, many more uses and services than TPB. Google's primary service is not the facilitation of copyright infringement. That Google do provide those sort of search results is a side effect of the way they work, and facilitate a great, great many things. TPB only exists to facilitate copyright infringement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unaco View Post
    Yes, but TPB is not Google, and vice versa. Google has many, many more uses and services than TPB. Google's primary service is not the facilitation of copyright infringement. That Google do provide those sort of search results is a side effect of the way they work, and facilitate a great, great many things. TPB only exists to facilitate copyright infringement.
    But what's gained by not enforcing the same reasoning on Google, which has a great many more users?

    TPB largely leads to illegitimate acquisitions, but blocking it won't do shit.


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    It is however principle and heading towards a slippery slope. I think that's what people are more concerned about. Being caught out about downloading material is something that most people consider when they do it. It should come as no surprise to them when their source inevitably (?) gets taken down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The JG Man View Post
    It is however principle and heading towards a slippery slope.
    If you apply the slippery slope argument to what the ISPs are doing, should we not also apply that argument to what pirates/customers are doing... downloading things illegally, and for free, and the creative industries receiving vastly reduced income.
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    In short: possibly.

    In long: The economic pressures have changed direction and the wise bods have adapted to it; you need only look at iTunes' rip-roaring success to realise that actually, if you charge people a low enough price with a good enough quality, people will buy it properly. Piracy, by-and-large, is people's response to the value of things, be it the value of an ocean as a pointless barrier in the digital age (at the risk of getting banned, I won't say how I acquire the latest episodes of Mad Men shown in American, just that I do and when the DVD comes out in the UK, I'll be picking it up because I want to watch that show lots) or the high-priced cost. Not that that latter is an excuse, but it's a reason and definitely a sign.

    Pricing is very fixed and adapting companies are realising that this is a flawed philosophy when there is now more choice than ever before and are doing something about it. Go on Steam, look at the different prices of any game, be they indie or from EA. The content/price difference varies so much and the ones that get it right tend to be the best-sellers. There's also the case of offering something unique - you can't offer a stadium experience of a band from a torrent, but you can offer tickets. That's where the music industry is at, yet they're still bitching and moaning about the whole piracy thing, despite the fact you can walk into HMV and buy a new album for 10 for 45 minutes of (hopefully repeatable) content.

    I'm not condoning piracy, but I am saying there's some pretty good reasons why it happens and that there's a good few solutions that the related industries can do about it.

    Also, I apologise if that seemed a bit patronising. Someone is in the middle of their dissertation due in tomorrow (I know, I know, I'm an idiot for leaving it this late) and it is to do with conflict over content on the internet and obviously, this is a big section...
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    This is the establishment doing what it wants, because it can. To speak of legal nuances is to not only miss the point of what is happening here, but to play on their turf, as if under the illusion that one can match them lawyer for high-powered lawyer. More productive is to ride out the blow and continue to undermine the system. Get educated re: TOR, VPN, etc. and educate others.
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    Does anyone here take issue with the blocking of any other illegal material or activities? It's alright harping on about freedom when it's copyrighted material, but I don't know many people who oppose the blocking of child pornography or snuff on the same grounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickygor View Post
    Does anyone here take issue with the blocking of any other illegal material or activities? It's alright harping on about freedom when it's copyrighted material, but I don't know many people who oppose the blocking of child pornography or snuff on the same grounds.
    Child pornography is inseparable from the mental, physical and sexual abuse of children.
    Torrenting Arcanum is nowhere near on the same level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mickygor View Post
    Does anyone here take issue with the blocking of any other illegal material or activities? It's alright harping on about freedom when it's copyrighted material, but I don't know many people who oppose the blocking of child pornography or snuff on the same grounds.
    It's interesting as this block is far 'lighter' than the blocks in the UK we have for child pornography. The tech exists to blacklist TPB or any other sites the government want to. Currently the organisation that does that only deals with blocking child porn. The measures for blocking TPB and Newzbin have been purposely positioned outside of that, and are far more trivial to circumvent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickygor View Post
    Does anyone here take issue with the blocking of any other illegal material or activities? It's alright harping on about freedom when it's copyrighted material, but I don't know many people who oppose the blocking of child pornography or snuff on the same grounds.
    It's a fair point to make, and strictly speaking from a legal perspective the blocking of a pirate website is fair game (if entirely ineffective). From a moral perspective though there are clearly two different schools of thought on piracy, which the "pro-litigation" side not exactly helped by the ridiculous actions of groups like the RIAA/MPAA.

    I think the broader issue is that it sets a precedence. Here in Australia the Great Firewall project that the Australian Labor Party keep clinging to (for some reason) extends beyond illegal material and into other adult content which isn't illegal to view but might be considered offensive to... I dunno, puritans or something. The filter is sold to the public by wrapping it up as "child protection", either by blocking access to paedophile websites (wouldn't they all be underground on darknets though?) or by stopping kids accessing porn. The proposals though range from opt-out ("Please remove the adult filter so I can look at tits") to mandatory filtering. From that perspective I'm strongly opposed to filtering attempts because it's too easy to roll it into other 'illegal' areas, and as we all know something that's illegal isn't necessarily morally wrong. I'm afraid of governments taking it too far.

    The other issue is that blocking is entirely ineffective. The most casual of pirates might be stopped (but I doubt they'd cause a significant loss anyway) but most will simply circumvent the block, achieving absolutely nothing. If they want to stop piracy, they're fighting a losing battle. Part of reducing the casual or moderate piracy sector would be to address the underlying issues. For example, people pirate TV shows in Australia because they take forever to air here (if they make it at all), and in the digital age the only reasons for not airing them at the same time are related to licensing (which really isn't valid).

    A block is ineffective but sets a dangerous precedent. You can be opposed to filtering and opposed to illegal activities, though I doubt people would rank piracy up there with paedophilia or murder.

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    They're not exactly blocking TPB because it's making media developers cry. They're blocking it because it's illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickygor View Post
    They're not exactly blocking TPB because it's making media developers cry. They're blocking it because it's illegal.
    I think I had moved beyond (il)legality as the basis of right and wrong by the time I was 8 years old...

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