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    RPS' Deals With Publishers

    So, not really blaming RPS or anything, but I still feel something is a little off. I bought Gods Will Be Watching yesterday, because I was pretty sure I was going to get it anyway and it saved me a buck. Then just now I refreshed RPS and saw they had a Wot I Think out at exact time Steam released it and pre-order was over.

    With unfortunately negative criticism, naturally I am pretty bumped, and I am wondering if agreeing to the demands of publishers that they do not post reviews before release is a good thing. Because it condones, or at the very least helps pre-order greed (for which I fell :() a practice that RPS has been rallying against in the past.

    Sure, alternatively they don't get a review copy at all, or only after release and the review will be even out later, I get that, but still, it might be right for integrity.

    Again, not really blaming RPS, but in the light of their recent re-post about Youtubers, I felt sorta fooled by the fact RPS (or whoever wrote the review) knew or thought this was a bad game, yet didn't warn people ahead of the release not to pre-order when he could.

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    Preordering is for berks.
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    What are berks?

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    The Oxford English dictionary says
    Definition of berk in English:
    berk
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    Pronunciation: /bəːk /
    (also burk or burke)
    NOUN

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    A stupid person.
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    1930s: abbreviation of Berkeley or Berkshire Hunt, rhyming slang for 'cunt'.
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    It's pretty standard practice for the distributor of products etc to put out an "Embargo" along with review copies, press releases, etc. This embargo says that you can't publish on said information until then. When it comes to game reviews, Release day is not unusal (typically so you get a big bump of news coverage all at once). Course, there's no way to enforce ebargos, and famously a couple of game devs that tried to embargo until after launch got destroyed. But in general journalists go along with it because it keeps people happy and gets them future access.

    As things go, I think it isn't too shady, and pre-ordering is irrational behaviour anyway.

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    Not necessarily irrational if it saves you money. But I feel like RPS should support its readers and provide them with the information in a timely matter for them to make the right choices. Allowing Devs to lure in buyers with pre-order promotion and no reviews is a bad thing.

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    It's not RPS's call. The rule is if they want to review it they have to agree to the dev's embargos. Lots of devs and publishers won't let reviews go up until the game is available. That's how they get review copies. They get them early and get told "you can't publish anything until 6pm the day the game goes on sale on steam". If RPS breaks the embargo they'll get blacklisted and publishers will stop sending them review codes, which means they'll have to buy the games themselves, on release, which pushes their reviews further out.

    Also, you saved a buck, but you might have lost eight more bucks if you don't like the game and the reviews would have stopped you buying it.
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    I understand that Jesus, but I am merely questioning if they should go along with it. Seeing how they are against pre-orders as well, it's just a slippery slope. You know a game is not that good, yet you agree not to tell your readers before it's officially released, eventhough you can already buy it on pre-order.

    In the end, the fault lies with myself, but I still think it's valid to question the deal they make.

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    It's that or they need to buy games themselves, journo's get lots of free access but if they lose it it'd sting.
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    Yes, they should respect this condition. It's bad for business on both sides if they don't. A preview / WIT is there to give you an impression what to expect, not prevent you from buying 'bad' games. You always have to decide for yourself if it's worth your money. Also: Negative criticism doesn't mean that you have to adopt that opinion :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    Preordering is for berks.
    QFT. Also, berk is my favourite thing to call people because almost no-one knows the origin and it sounds so innocuous. At best they think it's a Trap Door reference.

    But, the problem is RPS gave the game a rave review when it was a Ludum Dare entry.

    http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013...-survival-sim/

    And then gave it 2 or 3 more news entries, harping back to it's beautiful pixel art origins etc. etc.

    So some people get enthusiastic (enthusiasm, the bane of apathy everywhere) about it, stoked up for its release and foolishly pre-order it.

    There's no mileage in RPS being ultra cynical about everything. If they're excited about a game, they're excited about a game. Nathan, bless him, was notorious for this, early on. Readers need to apply their own brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frightlever View Post
    QFT. Also, berk is my favourite thing to call people because almost no-one knows the origin and it sounds so innocuous. At best they think it's a Trap Door reference.
    At worse, a Torment reference. "Chit" is probably the female equivalent.
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    I never thought of "Chit chat" as being a sexist slur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lop View Post
    I understand that Jesus, but I am merely questioning if they should go along with it. Seeing how they are against pre-orders as well, it's just a slippery slope. You know a game is not that good, yet you agree not to tell your readers before it's officially released, eventhough you can already buy it on pre-order.

    In the end, the fault lies with myself, but I still think it's valid to question the deal they make.
    If RPS didn't go along with it then they would stop getting pre-release review copies. This would actually hurt the readers in the long run as they wouldn't be able to review a game until it had been released and they'd had time to play it and write the review.

    The current system really is the best for all parties providing the consumer follows one simple rule: don't pre-order games.

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    Or Kickstart, kickstarting is for mugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lop View Post
    Again, not really blaming RPS, but in the light of their recent re-post about Youtubers, I felt sorta fooled by the fact RPS (or whoever wrote the review) knew or thought this was a bad game, yet didn't warn people ahead of the release not to pre-order when he could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    Or Kickstart, kickstarting is for mugs.
    Not sure if trolling. Better to take the backseat and wait for the successful games with good reviews to be released, right? Kickstarting games can work, and it's down to everyone to make his/her own judgment whether the project in question is worth the risk. I am very cautious with who I give my money to (publisher-released titles or indie or whatever) and have only ever kickstarted two games but I am glad that the funding possibility exists. How it's being (mis)used is an entirely different topic, but saying that people who make things happen are idiots is a bit ridiculous.

    That assumed you're being serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squiz View Post
    Not sure if trolling. Better to take the backseat and wait for the successful games with good reviews to be released, right? Kickstarting games can work, and it's down to everyone to make his/her own judgment whether the project in question is worth the risk. I am very cautious with who I give my money to (publisher-released titles or indie or whatever) and have only ever kickstarted two games but I am glad that the funding possibility exists. How it's being (mis)used is an entirely different topic, but saying that people who make things happen are idiots is a bit ridiculous.

    That assumed you're being serious.
    I'm with you. There's a big difference between a publisher who is definitely going to release the game trying to part me from my money before I actually know anything about the game, and supporting a game I want to be released that might not get released if I don't support it. I've only backed one game on Kickstarter and 'bought' two Steam Early Access games, but I don't regret it. The covenant of Kickstarter is "this game is too high-risk to be made in the current risk-averse climate of the game industry, so if you want it, you're going to have to adopt some of that risk". If you accept that covenant, I don't see the problem.
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    Kickstarting is a case of "socialising the risk while privatising the profit" and there's a lot of very questionable behaviour goes on. If the chance of getting what you want balances the cost required, and you think yourself good at estimating that chance, then kickstarting can make sense. I think most people are pretty irrational when it comes to kickstarter however.

    The covenant that you mention isn't true at all though, gooseking. There is plenty of stuff on Kickstarter that would (or could) happen anyway. In many cases its just a way of having a flexible pricing structure, and reducing the costs of acquiring investment or loans.

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    Not really following here. Judging by your combined posts, you appear to be asking if RPS should put your lack of discipline at the forefront of their concerns, serve their customers by refusing to agree to a publisher’s stipulation of not releasing a review before the game is released, and get the information they don’t have, out to their readers?

    Well they can’t. Because they’re now at the job centre trying to find work.

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    QFT. Also, berk is my favourite thing to call people because almost no-one knows the origin and it sounds so innocuous. At best they think it's a Trap Door reference.
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