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    Please, RPS, tell me what's wrong with everything

    Has anyone else gotten the feeling lately that RPS' tone has become more negative, and that whatever they're talking about is more likely to be panned than praised? When I read an article on RPS today I have no expectation that the reviewer will like the subject of the article, and I am genuinely surprised when they do. I fully accept the possibility that I am too unobservant\dumb\optimistic to appreciate the truth in such comments, but the feelings I take away from a gaming session are far more carefree and fulfilling than the venomous accusations I too often read here.

    I also feel this negativity is projected and pollutes the comments. Maybe it's just that the articles I've been reading lately are contentious (Indie Game: The Movie, Diablo 3, Alan Wake, OnLive\Gaikai, Windows 8) but the community comments are often sharp, vile, and personally insulting, and the only provocation is the simple statement of disagreement. RPS' community used to be video games' last bastion of the cheerful, intelligent peanut gallery, but too often it feels like this once genteel group has reduced itself to mud slinging (often suffexed with "sir", feigning class). These forums are the exception - the people who post here, behind the scenes, are my favourite members of the community and know the difference between discussing, arguing, and fighting, and it's telling that forum posts are in response to fellow participants and not to RPS journalists.

    Video games have been my primary hobby since about 1984. I don't know about some people but I still enjoy this hobby. I recognize that video games are my escape from my working life, whereas games journalists remain permanently submersed, so maybe gaming means something different to me.

    Am I arguing that RPS is becoming out of touch with the common gamer? Maybe. Or maybe I'm the one out of touch. All I know is that after reading RPS' take on a game that strikes my fancy I'm probably no more inclined to play it. Maybe it's my fault for assuming this would be their objective, but I'm often compelled to contrast RPS' words with Metacritic to answer my many remaining questions.

    So I ask, Rock Paper Shotgun et al, where's the fucking joy? Far beyond the meanings, double meanings, technique, art, mood, comparisons, homages, control schemes, difficulty spikes, imbalances, oversights, disappointments, disagreements, and shortcomings, in the end isn't it about the joy?

    To be devastatingly honest, for the first time in 2 years I'm reconsidering my $2/month subscription.

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    I haven't really been reading the forums long enough to comment on the community (that said there have been a ton of arguments recently which have turned a bit nasty) but I find that the articles aren't any more negative than they've ever been. As to your observation on the comments on contentious articles I feel it's the other way 'round; the articles themselves seem fine but the comments are bad enough sometimes that it can leave a bad feeling after reading them.

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    If you want hits you discuss big games, big games means big publishers, who are a den of filth and bullshit when it's profitable because of the principles of shares and stocks.

    So, yeah blame capitalism? Indie games are great but for 'unique clicks' you can't beat a AAA trailer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    If you want hits you discuss big games, big games means big publishers, who are a den of filth and bullshit when it's profitable because of the principles of shares and stocks.

    So, yeah blame capitalism? Indie games are great but for 'unique clicks' you can't beat a AAA trailer.
    Sorry but are we having the same conversation? This would be an apt response to John Walker's other thread about RPS covering some games more than others. I'm talking about the site's overall narrative tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbriandamage View Post
    Sorry but are we having the same conversation? This would be an apt response to John Walker's other thread about RPS covering some games more than others. I'm talking about the site's overall narrative tone.
    Tone is a response to mood, mood to content and content to situation.
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    I blame Obama.

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    To be fair, this article that John just posted is the absolute antithesis to everything I just said above:
    http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012...res-of-shuggy/

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    I'd prefer that RPS (and everybody else) call it like they see it. If that results in a surfeit of negative articles, so be it. But the worst possible reaction to such a complaint as the OP is to make saccharine-sweet posts just to "balance" it out, like Fox News during the Iraq War. Fuck that, tell it like it is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    like Fox News during the Iraq War.
    This is kind of my point. This isn't the gulf war, this is Pacman. This is an innocent pastime. Yes it's art, no question, yes it can have a serious message for grownups, and yes some games are just plain better than others, but it's GAMES. Amusement. Challenge. Fantasy. Inconsequential. Happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbriandamage View Post
    This is kind of my point. This isn't the gulf war, this is Pacman. This is an innocent pastime. Yes it's art, no question, yes it can have a serious message for grownups, and yes some games are just plain better than others, but it's GAMES. Amusement. Challenge. Fantasy. Inconsequential. Happy.
    No, it's reporting. The games are escapism, not the articles.

    Furthermore, the games are not inconsequential, nor is everybody saying they're an innocent pastime. That's "kinda the point." When you have long debates over corporate attitudes towards consumers on topics like monetization of assets previously perceived to be free, or the balance between anti-piracy restrictions and customer support, or the walled gardens of platforms and pseudo-platforms and the effect that has on game quality, or the bias and prejudice inherent in game imagery when it comes to gender, ethnicity or simple preconceived notions, or the desensitization to violence and the immature manner in which such a problem is handled, or the ethics of marketing "free" games to small children, or the entrenched labor issues in the current entertainment industry, or the pseudosocial nature of multiplayer games and the obesity epidemic tied to passive pastimes, or, yes, whether games are art...

    ...funny enough, it ain't all fun and games, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    No, it's reporting. The games are escapism, not the articles.

    Furthermore, the games are not inconsequential, nor is everybody saying they're an innocent pastime. That's "kinda the point." When you have long debates over corporate attitudes towards consumers on topics like monetization of assets previously perceived to be free, or the balance between anti-piracy restrictions and customer support, or the walled gardens of platforms and pseudo-platforms and the effect that has on game quality, or the bias and prejudice inherent in game imagery when it comes to gender, ethnicity or simple preconceived notions, or the desensitization to violence and the immature manner in which such a problem is handled, or the ethics of marketing "free" games to small children, or the entrenched labor issues in the current entertainment industry, or the pseudosocial nature of multiplayer games and the obesity epidemic tied to passive pastimes, or, yes, whether games are art...

    ...funny enough, it ain't all fun and games, is it?
    I like this post.

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    I really can't refute any of the points you're all making. If I'm the only one making these observations then maybe it really is just me.

    I'm starting to wonder whether I'm just taking exception to RPS reviews disagreeing with my personal opinions. Or maybe I play games for entirely different reasons than others.

    I'm feeling self-conscious now for writing such damning accusations. If anyone else has any opinions on this, either in favour of or in opposition to mine, I'm open to them.

    Still, I don't think the opposite of "truth" is "sugar coating".

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbriandamage View Post
    Still, I don't think the opposite of "truth" is "sugar coating".
    Well, the problem is, you weren't looking for truth. You were looking for positivity. If the truth isn't positive, what do you want people to do?

    If you want, however, here's how I look at it: This sort of "tone" or "attitude" is like an MMO forum. The people threatening to quit the game over this or that reason aren't going to quit the game, no matter how much they bitch about it. The quitters don't bother to post.

    So if you see a lot of arguing, know that there's something people find value in such that they're willing to argue over it. The negative gets focused on so that it's dealt with, lest it fester until there's no value left to argue over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    Well, the problem is, you weren't looking for truth. You were looking for positivity. If the truth isn't positive, what do you want people to do?
    This is exactly my internal conflict as I wonder whether I'm being fair to RPS. If something really is the truth then I don't think it should be called positive or negative, thus why sugar-coating versus truth is a false dichotomy.

    Maybe my problem is that I'm looking for both truth and positivity. Maybe I'm selfishly looking for validation that the journalists I respect share opinions I feel strongly. Whatever it is, I often feel that the basis for their opinions, or the articulation of those opinions, are incomplete because they don't even acknowledge the existence of details I appreciated. Maybe I'm not helping matters at all by failing to articulate my own specifics. Or maybe it's all a coincidence based on the random series of articles I've read over the past while.

    I just think gaming is great, the sky hasn't fallen, and we're fortunate to have the luxury to debate such vapid topics at all.

    And crap.. I realize that last sentence is almost exactly Brendan's criticism about Indie Game: The Movie which I scolded him for. First World Problems: The Forum Thread.

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    I don't want sugar-coated gaming news. If there is something icky going on, it is good to be made aware of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jams O'Donnell View Post
    I don't want sugar-coated gaming news. If there is something icky going on, it is good to be made aware of it.
    Pretty sure he wasn't asking for sugar coated gaming news.

    Personally I do think that the 'we know better' colonial 'oh you silly AAA publisher/developer' attitude does wear a bit at times. Firstly because EA, Activision , Ubisoft, etc aren't actually all knowing singular minded entities but are in reality large global organisations employing thousands of people across dozens of studios. There's enough lazy anthropomorphization amongst the comments at times (I've hated EA since they killed 'Bullfrog'!!!) without the Hivemind encouraging that mindset I feel. Instead of acting bewildered and perpetuating an impasse seek clarification as to the reasons.

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    RPS: And the demo was running on PC?

    Dominic Guay: Yeah, we’re running on PC at E3.

    RPS: Good. Then all is as it should be. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have felt right about thanking you for your time.
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    PCGAMERS4LIFE *yawn*

    /facepalm

    A developer takes time out to talk about one of the hottest titles to show at E3 and you think it's smart to pull a PC master race card? Let's hear more about the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadayi View Post
    because EA, Activision , Ubisoft, etc aren't actually all knowing singular minded entities but are in reality large global organisations employing thousands of people across dozens of studios
    And yet they act so consistently
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    And yet they act so consistently
    Only to conspiracy theorists like yourself Nalano. Still lets not head down that road, before we know it you might be telling us how immoral AAA titles are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadayi View Post
    Only to conspiracy theorists like yourself Nalano.
    You just got through saying how popular an opinion that was.

    Do you even read what you write or do you just like the verbal sparring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    And yet they act so consistently
    Thing is, without knowing the thought process behind the decision making , you end up being badly placed to make an informed comment about it.

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