RPS Blood Bowl League - The many, many Divisions of Death!

[groovychainsaw]

Ok, sorry I've been AWOL from the thread - between work and prepping for my holiday (leaving tonight!) I've not been around for sorting these issues. And this looks a little trickier than usual. SO - Phil's in Div B now, duffin is out, so we'll put Jaytee in his place as suggested (as he was formerly high up and has a 1800-ish team, so makes sense! @Squirrel - we didn't used to put returning players in higher up, but it makes more sense for those 1800-ish teams to come in near where they left. It will depend on gaps in the divs and team strength, but there's no time limit for returning, as long as we have a record of your former glories).

The other 4, WhiskeyTangoFox, Ritashi, ininja and imaork are out now, sorry chaps, but you've had over a week to apply and haven't posted in here. This does mean some reshuffling. Again. :-P

So, I have an idea - what IF we make division 5, for one season only, a 5-team division?? We'll drag in the 2 left from division 4 and run that division with a 0-0 for their last game (so as not to skew things too badly?). This will mean only 2 people will need to reapply. It will mean whoever owns div 5 will need to recreate it as a 5-team division, and at the end of the season, we'll treat everyone as if they were all in div 4, with promotions/demotions accordingly. Does this make any sense to anyone? It's either that or nearly half our players are going to have to reapply. This way, we only need a filler team in div 8 along with this plan to start the season? Any other suggestions, as always, gratefully received. I've marked the AWOL players with Z now, so if you look at the table you can see the problem...

I'm heading off fairly soon, so you'll probably have to figure this out amongst yourselves, but admins, you know enough to make a good decision on this. No coups whilst im away, ok?

[squirrelfanatic]

For what it's worth, that would be fine for me.

[Screwie]

Erm, if my memory is accurate, I don't even think odd-numbered team leagues are possible with calenders, ie. unless they are challenge leagues? Is a challenge league what you're suggesting/would suffice?

(Otherwise happy to throw a 6th team into Div 5 as filler.)

[El Cubo]

It was a nice, happy low AV division and now you want to bring a Nurgle team in to spoil the fun? Ugh. But that means I'll get to play more, so I'm okay with that.

[mrpier]

With so many divisions and so many players, might it be an idea to recreate this as a challenge league? With all the players in one league, but still do the divisions in the spreadsheet, so you get the short seasons and promotions/demotions as usual, except without all the hassle with players coming and going and fiddling around in cyanides less than ideal GUI.

[Screwie]

...and then wipe the score every 3 matches? Hmm, could be done I think.

We would have to be extra careful to make sure people adhered to the spreadsheet calender though.

[Jiiiiim]

That....is a good idea.

[NieA7]

If I understood what this suggestion was I think I'd say it was probably more likely to fray at the seems than the current set up, but I'm not sure I do.

[groovychainsaw]

Yeah, i think the main reason we didn't do it like that was that there weren't challenge leagues when we started (and also we never expected this getting so big!). A challenge league is certainly a good idea, managing everything through the spreadsheet. It would require more *trust*, but I'd be willing to give it a shot. It would certainly mean less chasing/hassle at the end of each season, and we could still run 3 match seasons (although have more flexibility to change things about, too). Given we're just about to start, it might be too big an overhaul for this season, but if we make div 5 a challenge league and let the 5 sort their game in there this season, it could act as a sort of pilot? I've realised, of course, that with 5, one person would get a 'bye' each week, so everyone would play 3 games, then get a draw, missing one week's games somewhere in there. It still ain't simple, but it would work. Or we could turn the whole thing into a challenge league, managed entirely by the spreadsheet, i guess. You will have to decide in my absence(!) as I'm off very very shortly now :-)

[Jiiiiim]

Yeah don't change to a challenge league this time as it'd be too much too soon. Next season though, assuming the pilot works alright, would be great.

[mrpier]

I did start to write a post about pros and cons about the approach, but this is groovys league so any discussion can wait until he is back from vacation.

This was not an coup-attempt, I swear!!

[Gorm]

Could be bad if we have problems with the results due to disconnects as challenge leagues seem to just give the 2-0 2 mvp full winnings result in those cases.

[Screwie]

Yeah good point. Can challenge league results be administered manually?

[El Cubo]

Yeah good point. Can challenge league results be administered manually?

I don't think so. I think the matches are automatically validated.

[ntw]

I own 5 - had a quick look, couldn't see how to convert it to a challenge league anyway, maybe it would need deleting and recreating?

Anyways, my suggestion is that we break up Div6 -

• Nullkigan and AgP go up to Div4
• Kapouille goes up to Div5
• Prester John goes down to Div 8

It's not the simplest or fairest solution, but it is *somewhat* simple and *somewhat* fair. Obviously come the end of the season we'll bear in mind which teams have been promoted/demoted and try to balance next season accordingly.

[Screwie]

I think there is an button to change the rules of the league on the main Manage League screen, may be greyed out/absent if not between seasons though?

You other suggestion would also work.

[Jolima]

Other problems with a 5-player league is that it might be hard to fit into the sheet and it will take 5 rounds instead of 3 to finish, so those players would need to have a stricter schedule.

I'll second ntw's suggestion above.

[ntw]

I think there is an button to change the rules of the league on the main Manage League screen, may be greyed out/absent if not between seasons though?

You other suggestion would also work.

Hrm, well we are between seasons and I couldn't see anything to change to a challenge league - several different options for competition leagues, but no challenge...

[Prester John]

I own 5 - had a quick look, couldn't see how to convert it to a challenge league anyway, maybe it would need deleting and recreating?

Anyways, my suggestion is that we break up Div6 -

• Nullkigan and AgP go up to Div4
• Kapouille goes up to Div5
• Prester John goes down to Div 8

It's not the simplest or fairest solution, but it is *somewhat* simple and *somewhat* fair. Obviously come the end of the season we'll bear in mind which teams have been promoted/demoted and try to balance next season accordingly.

Well after winning my div it doesn't feel particuarly fair to be demoted... but if it keeps the many divisions moving then ok. And on the bright side i get to increase Squirrelfanatics love for Wood Elves.

Also i am away from next Thursday for 10 days...

[INinja132]

Damnit, sorry forgot i had to post in here, I must have just subscribed and forgot.

I don't mind waiting till next season though if necessary.