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    Hidden Path kickstarting Defense Grid 2

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...defense-grid-2

    Oh baby! Defense Grid is still one of my favorite tower defense games. Expectations for a possible sequel are pretty huge.
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    Yes! I've logged a ridiculous 106 hours on Defense Grid according to Steam and I still haven't finished all of the last map pack they released. Not bad for someone who used to hate tower defense with a passion.

    This could well be the first Kickstarter I take part in.
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    I'll be honest, I don't think they can add enough to get me back to buy another game without changing it too much for their consumer base. I cant see this being for me, I enjoyed the original but I've grown to hate PvE tower defence. I mean a true competitive PvP tower defense game where you control the waves of creeps spawned (not automated creeps spawn damn it), I want to be able to delete units from the cycle at a slight cost to punish a player that over specialises, to set the order of spawning with a drag release interface, and for each of thoser actions to carry a cost that could be otherwise spent to stop uber micro of the waves without cost.

    That I would kickstart, but i expect so much less.
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    Does it really need Kickstarting?

    I thought the last game was a success??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Swayze View Post
    Does it really need Kickstarting?

    I thought the last game was a success??
    Its a pre order with incentives, not every kickstart is truely honest.
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    Well I hope it's a success. Multiplayer and a level editor would be fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    Its a pre order with incentives, not every kickstart is truely honest.
    Yup, in their defense though it's a really nice preorder package, even by Kickstarter standards.

    I have the same problem you do, though, that I'm simply burned out on this kind of game. It's tempting, but it'd just set on the virtual shelf collecting dust, and I'm done with hording.

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    Will this one finally have raspberries? Inquiring minds want to know.
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    Quite good Kickstarter packages. The first one was truly excellent, but I think I've had enough as well. It seems like there's maybe not innovation available in the genre to keep it going indefinitely?

    Hmmm... is the Reply and Reply With Quote borked for anyone else?

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    If you look at what they're doing, it's pretty comprehensive stuff!!

    I'm willing to bet people would be shocked to know that creating a few new maps costs $250,000 (I'm one of them) - and $1M to make a tower defence game (even one as good as DG) is an astonishing sum.

    Then there's the level of commercial endorsement in this KS - the fact there are tiers which get you a new (Razer) Mouse or (AMD) GPU. This sort-of suggests a big chunk of your KS money will go to Razer/AMD and not Hidden Path (I can't see them offering all those toys completely for free - do GPU/Mouse makers endorse game to that sort of level??)

    Then there's the fact that pledging $15 gets you a copy of DG instantly - even if the KS doesn't succeed - bargain hunters take note!!

    They've not messed-about with this tho have they? I'm just worried it doesn't work because if we're going to have any more TD games, I'd like them to be as 'outstanding' as DG was (and still is, really) - hell I'm nowhere near finishing it either!
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    Blarf. I was just about to back at the $20 level (for the $30 reward) when it sold out. Unfortunately, after all I've spent on KS and with ongoing and upcoming summer sales, I don't have $30 to blow, and the $15 reward doesn't contain the complete DG content, which makes it considerably less appealing since I'd be faced with potentially more cost if I ever wanted the DLC in the future. Those finite reward levels kind of devalue the other tiers. Oh well, on to something else.

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    I hadn't played much tower defense when DG came along and ended up in my games list for a couple quid, thanks to a steam sale. I was pretty much blown away by it's level of polish and how much fun it was, not wanting to put it down until i'd clocked it. Others I then tried, like PvZ, just didn't have the same addictive quality for me. However, I also couldn't be arsed to go back for the DLC, despite my previous enjoyment - I suppose my backlog is to blame for that, I simply don't go back to play many games to death like I used to with so much else to move on to.

    Of course with said backlog still a towering, time-hungry beast, plus it being summer sale time and me being somewhat skint, I'll have to pass on getting excited enough to throw money. I really do hope that it gets it's full-blown sequel all the same. Co-op would be ace.

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    This sort-of suggests a big chunk of your KS money will go to Razer/AMD and not Hidden Path (I can't see them offering all those toys completely for free - do GPU/Mouse makers endorse game to that sort of level??)
    Yeah, it's good PR. They'll be all over it.

    Some of the stuff I (well, it was more "we") used to snag for competitions a few years back on the back of offering some promotion in return was pretty smart. We've had everything from tech gear to copies of games for every single entrant (when they used to number in the hundreds) and more. I think one year we managed to wrack up around 5k's worth of stuff to give away.

    So if I/we could snag that, it'll be a piece of piss for Hidden Path to snag vastly more. Especially if you consider their ties to Valve and the eyeballs that Kickstarter will get.
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    Thanks for the link. It's great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by internetonsetadd View Post
    Blarf. I was just about to back at the $20 level (for the $30 reward) when it sold out. Unfortunately, after all I've spent on KS and with ongoing and upcoming summer sales, I don't have $30 to blow, and the $15 reward doesn't contain the complete DG content, which makes it considerably less appealing since I'd be faced with potentially more cost if I ever wanted the DLC in the future. Those finite reward levels kind of devalue the other tiers. Oh well, on to something else.
    Well, now that DG is on sale, it kind of makes backing this tenable again. I got the complete pack for 4 bucks, so if I backed at the $15 tier it would be like getting the $20 tier for $19 (minus the non-game stuff), and I'd have an extra copy to give to someone else. I guess I have to play it first. Come on, instinct, don't fail me now.

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    I think the Tower Defence genre needs some innovation.

    As it currently stands there aren't many of them [TD games] that are much good.

    What is a turn off to me now is how... strict the games play. Units move on a set line, towers are always placed on a grid.

    I'd love a game where towers could go anywhere and the routes are organic but funnelled by terrain. Units could even move with some degree of intelligence.

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