Dunno, really, I don't really know about Win8, that's the reason I've yet to talk about it one way or the other. But I get the general sensation that A) they're trying to push the store too far B) There's more people angry about Win8 trying to turn PCs into smartphones, or something like that.
 Fail, posted in the wrong page. Sorry.
The correct post for this thread is:
In the past, it was a more open market. Anyone could sell. Now it's "closed garden" for Apple and soon possibly MS. This could put the squeeze on other companies and individual devs. Valve included. So, why should Valve not also bring out their own OS with a store?
If the store use to be separate from the OS, and now is not (most integrated stores now forbid "competing" stores through apps!), then really it looks like MS are trying to put Valve out of business. Valve have 2 options. Do nothing and die, or change their business to one that continues to provide a service and take in money.
I've no problem with Valve changing their system and store, as long as they let customers know what they are doing and allow for existing customers to keep using existing services.
Last edited by TechnicalBen; 09-08-2012 at 09:49 AM.
The fears of MS locking down x86 apps are unfounded. If Valve do nothing... nothing happens. You keep buying games on Steam. Half Life 3 still doesn't come out. Gabe puts on a few kilos and inches closer to that myocardial infarction we all know he'll have.
Will it sell Matlab? Too damn difficult to locate stock here that it is not such a guilt here to DL one from web......
No I mean "sell", not "lease".
Steam still works under Windows 8 soldant, but what about later on? As Valve already find developing for Xbox a pain (see other devs, the only one to get away with it was Mahjong, eveyone else pays around $30k PER PATCH).
Valve (that is Gabe) are just worried MS get too greedy and as they already brought an Xbox and IOS style App store to the desktop, they might do the same with their main OS in Windows. Hedging the bets to multiple software and multiple platforms (Linux) is a good move.
Gabe's chief worry is that there's another store that threatens Valve's attempt to grip the digital distribution market and control it... one which happens to be part of the OS. But that ignores the fact that it's Metro only, and locking the system down to only allow signed x86 apps would be a pain in the arse for everyone and drastically reduce the software library size. Believe it or not, Microsoft are actually pretty good at legacy support, even if it's to their detriment. They're not going to wipe out the x86 software library. Anybody who suggests otherwise is flying in the face of reason.
Most of the bigger software is primarily sold via bulk licenses to companies, groups, and universities. So I don't know if they would benefit to any large degree from a Steam app store.
My personal gut feeling: The most "big boy" software we might find would be 3ds max and photoshop, and even those I am skeptical of (at least in the first year or two): Stuff people use for "making games" as it were, since the userbase will overlap and provide good marketing.
If you want me on either service, I suggest PMing me here first to let me know who you are.
Soldant, I find the argument that "Valve is worried about competition" redundant. :P
Why? Well, they are not worried about Origin, GOG, Onlive, Play, Amazon, Ebay, Direct2Drive etc, etc, etc. Why be worried about a store from MS? Oh, unless it's intergrated with the OS. So, to even the playing field I can understand Valve/Steam wanting an even field too. Step 1) is to have their own OS. Step 2) is to offer other software (to have features comparable to other OS's.
A Linux Distro using WINE style APIs (thus not emulation ;) ) would be the first and easiest step. Or just offering a Ubuntu version (as most installs are automatic).
There'd be something to be said for Steam offering free commonly used apps too. One of the nicest things about Steam is the ease of re-installing when moving machines, if I could click one button and have all my regular tools setup for me too, that'd be lovely.
But they clearly aren't pleased with competition as posed by the store, even though it basically means bugger all for them. What I am pointing out though is that people effectively sided with Valve and agreed that bundling a store with an OS is such a horrible, unspeakable move, yet turned around and said "Take all my money!" (because that meme still isn't overused yet...) when it's suggested that Valve will do effectively the same thing. Even worse is that they advocate for a console which will probably raise the walls of the proverbial garden a bit higher. So long as a company appears benevolent (even if they want to prevent you from launching a class action lawsuit) apparently it's okay to do stuff like that. But as soon as anyone else considers it, they flip out.
Hell, they'd better worry more about Apple than Microsoft, because Apple have taken greater steps to lock down OS X from apps outside the App Store (though even they still permit you to install other apps). But is Valve going on a crusade against them to protect the Mac gamers? Oh right, nobody plays games on a Mac. My mistake.
I wouldn't mind an edible content section.
"You have purchased Metro 2033. Would you like some borscht and vodka with that?"
"I was one of those. I meddled with dark powers. I summoned demons. I ate the entire little cheese, including the rind."
~Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fear
No Soldant, what I'm trying to say is Valve do not care about Windows 8 store as competition. They care about it being "the integrated walled garden". It makes putting up games on windows 8 start to get as difficult as putting games up on Xbox (see the catastrophe some Devs have with that).
So, Valve see Windows 8 going in a poor direction. They need to act now, else Windows 9 could only have a closed garden approach, and ban ALL competing stores (AKA IOS, Android, Xbox360, PS3, Wii, etc). Although these stores do not always ban competition, it makes it much harder if your competitors can take 30% of your takings (not even profits here!).
Valve are looking to sort Wine out. Basically setup a profile for every game on their catalog (AFAIK). This would make them try to make it work as smoothly as their current store and Windows system.
PS, I've kinda got overlaping comments on this thread and the Windows 8 one. :P
Last edited by TechnicalBen; 10-08-2012 at 08:09 AM.
Let's draw a distinction here - the 360, PS3, Wii, and iOS are inherently closed platforms anyway and the device manufacturers (Apple, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo respectively) have a much greater support requirement for their devices, hence a walled garden isn't necessarily a bad thing nor has it been terribly detrimental. Android is still 'open' in that there are other ways to install apps. The consoles still have the brick-and-mortar stores so even though they are closed, walled gardens there's still plenty of store competition, so the comparison isn't quite as easy to make.
They're all very different from Windows, with a huge library of x86 software which isn't going to be affected by WinRT at all. There's no indication that Microsoft intend to close down the OS to all other stores or apps - just the WinRT aspect because it also operates on ARM tablets, and no doubt Microsoft want to enforce device compatibility for software. A walled garden isn't always a bad thing - it does help to enforce standards that would otherwise effectively be voluntary, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Valve Time strikes again?
It's still September 5th in America, but it's kinda late already.