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    Quote Originally Posted by coldvvvave View Post
    Every time this conflict brings me laughs I feel progressively worse about myself as this is a terrible thing, really... but now rebels appointed the new voice/leader of the moderate opposition and his name is Jihad! I know it shouldn't be funny and isn't for people who are there, it's a common name and there is war etc etc but goddamnit...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_Makdissi
    It's a common name for Muslims.

    I've met many doctors and residents with the name Jihad in the US already.

    Jihad doesn't mean "suicide bombing" anyway, or anything like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman29 View Post
    It's a common name for Muslims.

    I've met many doctors and residents with the name Jihad in the US already.

    Jihad doesn't mean "suicide bombing" anyway, or anything like that.
    Holy shit, I agree with rockman29!

    Many, if not most, Western names mean things like "God's warrior", "God is awesome" or "God will fuck your enemies up".

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    Well, yeah, plenty of extremists in Syria, that's news from like half a year ago at least. Is there a point?

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    Apart from you apparently having a comprehensive span of 1 minute?

    Islamist extremists in that strength and the al quaeda brigades are a recent phenomena in the Civil War and this is one of the very few coverages about them.

    Apart from that it's just a piece of fairly non-sensationalist investigative journalism, which are all too rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfenswan View Post
    Apart from you apparently having a comprehensive span of 1 minute?

    Islamist extremists in that strength and the al quaeda brigades are a recent phenomena in the Civil War and this is one of the very few coverages about them.
    I apologize, am being combative today.

    Yeah, well, recent but not very surprising, considering the usual downward spiral mechanic present in such situations. Thankfully, recently the non-al-qaeda rebels were fighting them and apparently doing well as even extremist rebels realized this is another kind of crazy. So there is hope this won't be the dominant tone there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfenswan View Post
    Apart from you apparently having a comprehensive span of 1 minute?

    Islamist extremists in that strength and the al quaeda brigades are a recent phenomena in the Civil War and this is one of the very few coverages about them.

    Apart from that it's just a piece of fairly non-sensationalist investigative journalism, which are all too rare.
    It's not been that recent, unless we're talking about a year ago. Their presence has been there a long time now.

    Large groups like Al-Nusra (no idea what that means) and Al-Shabab (The Young) have been around for a while now.

    Al Nusra was actually created during the Syrian Civil War in 2012 actually.

    This is why I was complaining so much about US intervention.

    No, they did not take any ground or military intervention themselves as a country, but they did heavily promote conflict, and influence more conflict and more devastation, by openly and I repeat *openly* supporting the rebels.

    The rest of the world should have known, *should have known* that there is NO WAY to guarantee that those weapons and aid would go to the right, noble persons in Syria interested in the welfare of Syrian people.

    These groups that the US government armed by sending aid (and the US was very vocal about helping rebels, as doing so improves the "street cred" of politicians like John McCain) to these "rebel groups fighting for their freedom."

    It was an advertisement to the American public to support "American style revolution" in a country no one in the US really even cares about. It was a public show, and saying it was anything else is a complete farce.

    What the US government supported is ethnic cleansing, and this is what the "real rebels" are actually doing. They are murdering Syrians just as much as the Syrian government was.

    This is why I have been advocating absolutely no interventions which support war (funding rebels, promoting war, increasing odds of stalemates and urban warfare and guerilla warfare by giving everyone even more ammunition to kill others with), and only interventions which stop the war or at least calm the damn flames (which I admit, is more complicated than anything else).

    Al Nusra is made up of Sunni Muslims, for example. This group in particular has been advertised as one of the most despicable, murderous, and barbaric groups in the conflict.

    Particularly, they target minorities (like Alawis, which I believe Assad himself is a member of). These group also enforce Sharia Law.

    Keep in mind, as bad as the Syrian government is, and I believe they are the worst kind of criminals in the world... these rebel groups are even worse.

    They are the only reason I have been advocating stability first, revolution through peace second. This is why I actually support what the Russians did more than what I do of the US. The US supported even more barbaric groups of rebels, to take place of an already barbaric state. And destabilizing Syria even further was just the wrong way to go, by giving weapons, finances, and logistical aid to these rebels. It was just the wrong thing to do.

    Again, I don't see supporting Syrian government by Russia as much better at all, only marginally so. But the goal of stability and saving human life should have been far, far more paramount than taking actions that would destabilize a difficult situation even more, and influence and accelerate the growth of colonies of terrorists such as Al Nusra and Al Shabab.

    P.S.

    I just don't think people are correctly imagining the scope of the failure of humanitarian aid here.

    There is one guy I know here from Syria I see sometimes, one of my neighbours. He is the only one of his family in the US right now, the rest in Syria. He's not a rich guy, but he's doing a lot better here. But the fact is his family is still over there.

    The people dying there are part of families, which is important. Imagine family members of people in your country, UK, USA, wherever the heck you guys are all from.

    Imagine all these people losing countless numbers of family members. Like all their children. Or all their brothers and sisters. Or whole generations of people getting killed by war.

    The scope of the damage of that on the Syrian people is just ***king incredible. And I think when people think of war, they forget that this is the result.

    I think of this huge earthquake stuff in Japan, Haiti, China, the same way. So much incredible loss and suffering that could have been prevented if those in power really wanted to give a shit, but they don't give a shit!
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    Ok, that's new

    "Syrian government 'demolished thousands of homes'"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25947345

    I can't really blame Syrians for going religiously aggressive over this kind of shit.

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    You want to tell me how these 'revolutions through peace' work when the government doesn't give a shit about gunning down protesters?

    'oh no! Said Assad. All these people I don't like are dying! my power is waning, waaaaniiiiing.....'

    He wasn't stepping down. Not even if you asked super nicely and said nobody would be his friend if he didn't. And yeah, the rebels are just as bad at this point, but pretending that there was a peaceful solution to a dictator who's quite content to bomb his own citizenry when they request he quits is insultingly naive. Unless the peaceful solution you suggest is 'lay down your arms and get used to serfdom in a hurry'. The entire situation is an awful clusterfuck without a lovely answer, because sometimes reality doesn't care to provide one.

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    "Our guys" are at it again.

    ...oh, they removed it. Someone will upload it again soon, no doubt.

    It works again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldvvvave View Post
    "Our guys" are at it again.

    ...oh, they removed it. Someone will upload it again soon, no doubt.
    And THIS is why you actually comment on things, rather than just do a linkdump and wander off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gundato View Post
    And THIS is why you actually comment on things, rather than just do a linkdump and wander off.
    There is nothing to say here, really. Just some surreal imagery.

    EDIT: Ok, for those who are not following. They are mostly Chechens and the camera guy is probably Russian or a Chechen from a European part of the country. They are with Al-Nusra apparently and this footage is from the assault on Central Prison that happened few days ago. There was a huge 40+ min video on YT but it got suspended( not before I downloaded it though). It contains crisp Go-Pro HD footage, a 5min long speech by the battle cleric, the huge suicide truck filled with explosive operated by a suicide bomber who came from Britain, people taking pictures with him on their iphones, lots of Allahuackbar shouting, child soldiers( or people with really young-sounding voices). Buisness as usual. Here is the short episode from the end. It's surreal to say the least.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca6_1392386226
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