Page 5 of 15 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 100 of 295
  1. #81
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Zephro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    2,093


    Fuck you MIRIAM!

  2. #82
    Network Hub
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    201
    Quote Originally Posted by baby snot View Post
    I found this analysis of the Syrian conflict to be the best I'd seen going around at the time it was published in July. It's fairly in depth so you'll want to make a cup of tea if you're a slow reader like me.

    Issues In The Current Stage Of The Syrian Revolution.
    Have you actually read it? its so personal agenda driven that there's no reason to take it seriously. really, it is intentionally filled with misinformation.

  3. #83
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    5,689
    No point in asking the world to stop any war - all we're good at is STARTING them...

    We've not actually stopped a war since 1945 and - arguably - what stopping we did back then was either massively brutal (dropping nukes on Japan) or really more a case of the opposition over-stretching itself anyway.

    Since then we've had things like the Korean War (still actually ongoing), the Vietnam War (what a success that was), the Iran/Iraq War (started by, funded by and supplied - including chemical weapons - by the USA) - and so on...

    I believe the people who are for military intervention are the same idiots who believe all that 'guided bombing' and 'tactical strike' bullshit they see on the TV. None of that exists - bombs kill anything they go near and never land where you want - you cannot bomb 'down a chimney' and bullets don't check their target is a badguy before puncturing them.

    Reality is that any military action will just be a different way of killing civilians with a few 'friendly fire' incidents added for good measure - it's all driven by people who profit from it or watch too many fucking movies.

    Or I suppose it could become like the Balkans where we simply help sweep shit under the carpet and ignore the atrocities entirely - that went swimmingly...
    Last edited by trjp; 30-08-2013 at 05:43 PM.

  4. #84
    Network Hub
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    181
    Quote Originally Posted by burningpet View Post
    Have you actually read it? its so personal agenda driven that there's no reason to take it seriously. really, it is intentionally filled with misinformation.
    Yeah I have, a few times. I can't respond unless you're willing to point out how so.

  5. #85
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus soldant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Terra Australis Incognita
    Posts
    4,525
    Quote Originally Posted by baby snot View Post
    Fixed it for you.
    We already have a room. You can come in, if you like.

    Quote Originally Posted by trjp View Post
    No point in asking the world to stop any war - all we're good at is STARTING them...
    I'd argue that the Cold War was a bit of a success save for the proxy wars going on at the same time - despite both sides sitting on a stockpile of weapons with an inconceivable capacity for destruction, neither side fired the shot that would consume millions in fire. It worked primarily because both sides eventually were committed to peace (and that whole USSR falling apart thing), but also because mutually assured destruction was terrifying enough to encourage alternatives.

    In a case like Syria where nobody sane is going to use nukes or massive force, diplomacy is laughable. It's like telling North Korea not to test bombs or else - what are you going to do, get involved in a costly war to invade for what purpose again? There won't be any peaceful solution without the threat of force with an apparent willingness to use it. And since Syria is just going to do whatever it damn well pleases (as any independent state can do) you're not going to achieve anything.

    But you're right - any sort of military intervention would be costly and pointless unless you just launch missiles like blindly throwing darts at a dartboard. Both sides are already doing a decent job at wiping each other out, I'd sooner just leave them alone, really from an international political perspective what difference does it make?

    Quote Originally Posted by baby snot View Post
    I can't respond unless you're willing to point out how so.
    I'm not burningpet but I did read the first few pages and it seems like it's just out to paint the rebels as the glorious liberators incapable of doing harm, insisting that they're still the democratic activists they were before they took up arms and started shooting at everyone. He rants and raves about the far left and far right and goes on to try to defend crimes by the FSA while crucifying the Syrian Army (and they deserve it). Also he seems to downplay the religious element which has been gaining momentum in the FSA, which is at odds with most other analysis. A lot of it just reads as "Rebels good, State bad, just because." That's not analysis.
    Nalano's Law - As an online gaming discussion regarding restrictions grows longer, the probability of a post likening the topic to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea approaches one.
    Soldant's Law - A person will happily suspend their moral values if they can express moral outrage by doing so.

  6. #86
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Fumarole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    California
    Posts
    2,906
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/01/world/...ria-civil-war/

    After signaling he was on the verge of delivering a strike against Syria, Obama made a last-minute decision Friday evening to seek congressional authorization before any military action, senior administration officials told reporters Saturday.
    Video of his speech at the above link. I suspect Congress will vote to do nothing.
    The Medallion of the Imperial Psychopath, a Napoleon: Total War AAR
    For the Emperor!, a Total War: Shogun 2: Fall of the Samurai AAR

  7. #87
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus squirrel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    1,791
    Quote Originally Posted by Fumarole View Post
    I suspect Congress will vote to do nothing.
    Let us not forget anyone who is not helpful.

  8. #88
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Xercies's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    2,389
    Good they should probably, to messy to get involved even with missiles and planes. Were quick to pull the trigger but we are not quick to help the people that need to get in there for medical reasons.

  9. #89
    Network Hub
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    278
    Quote Originally Posted by Xercies View Post
    Good they should probably, to messy to get involved even with missiles and planes. Were quick to pull the trigger but we are not quick to help the people that need to get in there for medical reasons.
    It is a nice sentiment, but http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...s-die/2686971/ .

    This would be one of the reasons there is a line on chemical weapons.

    When the doctors trying to help people end up dying from exposure, we have reached another level of horror. That is why there is a special rule about this kind of thing.
    Last edited by Misnomer; 01-09-2013 at 05:10 PM.

  10. #90
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Xercies's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    2,389
    Yeah but even if there was a line in the sand what the hell could we do really without causing even more problems. Yes its evil, yes I don't agree with it but to be honest we should try to help as many victims as possible and just let them kill themselves.

  11. #91
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus soldant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Terra Australis Incognita
    Posts
    4,525
    Quote Originally Posted by Xercies View Post
    ...but we are not quick to help the people that need to get in there for medical reasons.
    No medic will run into danger - a dead medic treats no patients. A hospital close to the site of the attack or in the line of fire is useless, neither side gives a flying fig about non-military targets by this point. There are no rules in war. There's only so much atropine to go around too. People are going to die from attacks like this. Besides, a hostile government might see even civil support from the state as intervention without arms, and they're not likely to take kindly to that.
    Nalano's Law - As an online gaming discussion regarding restrictions grows longer, the probability of a post likening the topic to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea approaches one.
    Soldant's Law - A person will happily suspend their moral values if they can express moral outrage by doing so.

  12. #92
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Zephro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    2,093
    I wonder if it would ever be possible to create "safe zones". So just mark out a big area (say a city), then send in UN peacekeepers to occupy it. Civilians are free to enter but anyone coming near it with a gun gets shot, then just wait out the rest of the conflict.

    There are many problems with this, the main being that it sounds like it'd rapidly get overcrowded and turn into a concentration camp. But some doctrine like that thought out by our military leaders instead of just bombing the shit out of everything.

    Also I'm sure I've played that as a level in a strategy game. Advance Wars Dark Conflict maybe.

  13. #93
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Nalano's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    NY f'n C
    Posts
    10,000
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    I wonder if it would ever be possible to create "safe zones". So just mark out a big area (say a city), then send in UN peacekeepers to occupy it.
    What part of "nobody wants to put boots on the ground" was so hard to get in the first place?
    Nalano H. Wildmoon
    Director of the Friends of Nalano PAC
    Attorney at Lawl
    "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." - Woody Allen

  14. #94
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Zephro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    2,093
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    What part of "nobody wants to put boots on the ground" was so hard to get in the first place?
    Yeah but that's because everyone else thinks 1 of our soldiers > 10 Syrian civilians which I don't. It was more of a thought rather than a practical suggestion as I'm aware of the above facts.

  15. #95
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Nalano's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    NY f'n C
    Posts
    10,000
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephro View Post
    Yeah but that's because everyone else thinks 1 of our soldiers > 10 Syrian civilians which I don't. It was more of a thought rather than a practical suggestion as I'm aware of the above facts.
    What's that quote? "One dead fireman in Brooklyn is worth five English bobbies, fifty Arabs and five hundred Africans."

    Or, for the BBC version: One thousand wogs, fifty frogs, and one Briton.
    Nalano H. Wildmoon
    Director of the Friends of Nalano PAC
    Attorney at Lawl
    "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." - Woody Allen

  16. #96
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Zephro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    2,093
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    What's that quote? "One dead fireman in Brooklyn is worth five English bobbies, fifty Arabs and five hundred Africans."

    Or, for the BBC version: One thousand wogs, fifty frogs, and one Briton.
    I'll have you know it's 2,000 frogs and 50 wogs.

  17. #97
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus coldvvvave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Moscow, Russia
    Posts
    1,761
    Quote from MP.net

    There is also video of Chechen jihadists announcing breaking ties with ISIS because, and hold your hats now, they are "too extremist".

    Yeah, I **** you not. Because of forum rules I cannot post it but if anyone want it just send PM.
    Looks like our guys are moderates now.

    Last edited by coldvvvave; 05-09-2013 at 08:29 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drake Sigar View Post
    You are an enemy of gaming.

  18. #98
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus Nalano's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    NY f'n C
    Posts
    10,000
    Quote Originally Posted by coldvvvave View Post
    Looks like our guys are moderates now.
    Reminds me how "Nixonian Republican" is now synonymous with "moderate Republican," because that fucking blew me away when I first heard that one.
    Nalano H. Wildmoon
    Director of the Friends of Nalano PAC
    Attorney at Lawl
    "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." - Woody Allen

  19. #99
    Secondary Hivemind Nexus rockman29's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    2,143
    I am very saddened by this entire conflict.

    100,000 people have died in civil war conflict.

    Only the use of chemical weapons, however dire that is, killing up to 1000 people, maybe as little as 150 people, causes need for intervention?

    And I have even more problem with the fact that we as in USA are trying to "balance the power of the conflict" by launching missiles at Assad?

    What good is that going to do? Prolong the conflict so the rebels and Syrian government can have a "more fair fight?" Why???

    This is nothing more than the world's next Satellite war. Except it's not communist versus democracy anymore. It is Shia vs Sunni muslims.

    Sunni muslims being dominant/in power in Iraq and Saudia Arabia. Who are "allies to US." Even though Saudis are clearly a dictatorship.

    Shia muslims being dominant in Iran and Syria. And of course since Iran is USA and Israel's almight enemy... so we must do everything possible to destroy Syria as much as possible too. We are now sponsoring sectarian violence as Western nations.

    We should've done everything to stop this conflict the minute it started: meaning do NOT supply weapons to the terrorists and Al Qaeda invading Syria. We should have sought rapid resolution of the war, to STOP fighting, no matter who was participating. Whatever means to end the war, if that meant bombing the rebels, who are clearly not of Syrian descent for the most part, we should've done that.

    I do not believe for a second we know who used chemical weapons. I don't even believe we know for certain chemical weapons were used. And if chemical weapons were used, and USA truly knew who used them, we would've seen all their evidence already. USA has lost all it's credibility since a long time ago.

    USA says they will treat chemical weapons as a red line? What did US army do to Vietnam? They poisoned millions of people and led to 400,000 deaths and 500,000 birth deformities and stillbirths by using DDT, a chemical weapon. Napalm is another chemical weapon that is illegal, except USA used it. And this is after the chemical weapons conventions post WW2.

    Who else used chemical weapons? Oh yea, Iraq used them against their OWN people. And who helped Iraq get them? USA, as per wikileaks scandals.

    And Iraq also used chemical weapons during the Iran and Iraq war: too bad we were allied with Iraq and had no intention of doing anything about it.

    If there were instances of chemical weapons used, it should never have been the primary impetus for getting involved. The death of 100,000 civilians (notice how the media never reports that rebels die, only civilians)... no..... 1 or 10 civilians... should have been the primary impetus for getting involved.

    The story of this conflict and the interest in getting militarily involved, and the idiocy of supplying Al Qaeda and all these militant groups (who are definitely Muslim extremists and not at all secular), is filled with so much BS hypocrisy it is unbelievable.

    And yet still we have idiots, sadly whom I once respected, like Obama and Nancy Pelosi using conversations with 5 year old granddaughters trying to justify the war?

    USA and Western democracies are not on the right side of this war, because there is no right side. Intervention should have been peacekeeping to stop fighting AT ALL from happening. That would have been humanitarian aid and totally justifiable, but the greedbags of Obama and David Cameron are too much filled with ego to admit what they are doing is incredibly stupid.

    At least UK politicians saw through the bullshit, but unfortunately we can't say the same about USA, the land of war mongerers.

  20. #100
    Network Hub
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    278
    Quote Originally Posted by rockman29 View Post
    USA and Western democracies are not on the right side of this war, because there is no right side. Intervention should have been peacekeeping to stop fighting AT ALL from happening. That would have been humanitarian aid and totally justifiable, but the greedbags of Obama and David Cameron are too much filled with ego to admit what they are doing is incredibly stupid.

    Posts like yours are incredibly frustrating to me, because they seem to be the consensus of popular opinion, but are so full of internal contradictions that it is a meaningless rant.

    1. It is horrible that people are dying and there should have been peace.

    How would you have made that peace? We have embargoed Syria we have called for them to go to Geneva (not just Assad said no, the rebels have no clue who is in charge and can't agree who would show up to negotiate).

    Are you claiming that an Army of people with blue helmets should have been sent in. When has that ever worked? Oh and Russia and China would have blocked it anyway.

    2. 100,000 people died, 1,500 in a chemical weapons attack doesn't matter.

    This is a category of weapons that the world has agreed upon as particularly horrible. WE KNOW what they do to people and how that makes it impossible to provide first response.

    This type of chemical weapon (sarin if that is correct) is a weapon of mass destruction the way the term is meant to be used. I wonder how people like you would react to a dirty bomb nuke or a backpack nuke that kills 10,000. Barely anything compared to 100,000 right? No response necessary?

    The game of relatives is easy to play with casualty numbers. It doesn't actually make the decisions any better, but it lets the people who could have done something sleep at night when they don't.

    3. Just send humanitarian aid.

    And how do you get that in btw? You dock at Syrian ports and drive aid to the rebels? Or you deliver it to the regime because they control the ports? Or are you making use of the U.S. air force to air drop it in behind the Syrian SAM batteries?

    You can't just show up and say "We're here to do good things, now let us get to work." This has been shown countless times and the most dramatic was Somalia.

    4. U.S. should stop being the world's police and are hypocrites

    There are maybe 5 countries that could do anything about this without invading Syria. Two of them are China and Russia. One is the UK (who only marginally could have done anything). Basically if anyone was going to do anything it is going to be the U.S.

    Remember, without the U.S. even the British and French couldn't bomb in Libya on cloudy days. The French did quite a job in Mali, but it required boots on the ground. If the world actually wants something like a limited strike on Syrian military capabilities as punishment for violating a norm, the U.S. is pretty much the only one going to do it.

    So you are in a situation where you are saying "Well the U.S. can't do anything because they made mistakes in the past so they must let others make mistakes," despite the international community actually wanting these rules to be enforced.





    To me, people who write rants like this are really just asking themselves the question: Am I okay with the small scale use of chemical weapons? And answer the question yes and giving their excuses.

    If your answer is no, but your only solution is that we should all just get along and hand out band aids after the sarin clears then what the world will do to itself might shock you in the coming years.

    Peace doesn't just happen. MLK Jr. is a great role model, but don't forget it took 31,000 national guard soldiers to integrate Ole Miss.
    Last edited by Misnomer; 05-09-2013 at 11:14 PM.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •