There's a German proverb that fits perfectly here: 'Getroffene Hunde bellen', literally something like 'struck dogs bark'. If they didn't know his criticisms were valid, they wouldn't react in such an exaggerated way.
I don't hate Diablo 3, I even liked it quite a bit, but Blizzard can't deny they royally fucked up long term progression and the loot system and are now trying to fix it (tommorrow's patch seems to be a step in that direction), but there's still much work to do and they've lost a lot of goodwill, so their reaction seems downright bizarre.
Who else worked at Flagship Studios ? Max Schaefer and Erich Schaefer, those losers working on Torchlight 2. The game received a lot of praise in Beta, and I think it's going to be a big success. If it wasn't for the hype behind Blizzard, Torchlight 2 would probably sell better. Torchlight 2 will make Blizzard look bad. Their success will support the words of David Brevik that Blizzard North was indeed special and people matter.
That's the point - the interview is quite civil, the criticism restrained and David didn't even mention Jay Wilson despite having been specifically asked about him. The civilized criticism couldn't be accepted by Blizzard.It's all fairly pathetic and I expected some sort of flamebait from the article when I saw the comments, but honestly? I don't even see the schadenfreude others mentioned. This is entirely a piece about an ex-Blizzard developer giving his thoughts on a game honestly and with no ill intention. Chances are he would've made the better game, too.
If that's how they respect an opinion of someone who co-founded Blizzard North and is in D3's "Very Special Thanks" section, try to imagine what they think about players. Terms like "whiny kids", "entitled brats" are probably in common use internally at Blizzard. A while ago I wondered if Blizzard is claiming that Diablo 2 wasn't as dark as we remembered out of cynism, or because they delude themselves. Now we know it's the latter. Blizzard Irvine truly believe they're making a good, improved Diablo. They didn't cut features and complexity because of Bobby Kotick, but because that's what their best vision of Diablo is.
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Diablo3 is not PvE or PvP, it is PvAH. -- Tei
I know it's kind of hypocritical given I commented on this when it was first posted, but the fact this has blown up into a great controversy is just proof of how immature the gaming community at large can be. Nobody should care this much about the reactionary comments of people they have never met regarding another person they have never met just because that person was part of a team that made a game they like over a decade ago...
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*Shrugs* makes perfect sense to me. When one of the key figures behind the Diablo franchise is repeating criticisms that the gaming community have had since Diablo 3's rocky release, and Diablo 3's developers respond venomously, it makes people think
People love going through other people's dirty laundry. If we had true celebreties in the gaming industry, you'd find shit about them in gossip magazines like you do when prominent Actors and Musicians are concerned.
I think there already is a few people that you could call celebrities, and in the future MORE will become just that because there's simply a FUCKTON of people who are really interested in this medium and the people who make these games.
Fortunately, not everyone at Blizzard is an asshat:
Originally Posted by Peet Cooper (artist for D3)
Diablo3 is not PvE or PvP, it is PvAH. -- Tei
Brevik's thoughts pretty much echo the general consensus of the Diablo community in regards to D3. Dismissing Brevik's thoughts with a "fuck that loser" is insulting to the community who respect Brevik and share his views on D3.
Fuck it, Hellgate:London was a great game for me and even greater idea for interesting antidemon game. Sadly not very well executed, but I would play it again, if it had more meaty combat.
Hear from the spirit-world this mystery:
Creation is summed up, O man, in thee;
Angel and demon, man and beast art thou,
Yea, thou art all thou dost appear to be!
There're many reasons he could have made that statement; being angry at the very public calling out of his game by another in the industry for example. There's no indication his comment was made specifically regarding the comments made [about D3] and judging from comments on other forums this attempt to justify the reaction of the gaming community doesn't match the reality of their anger.Dismissing Brevik's thoughts with a "fuck that loser" is insulting to the community who respect Brevik and share his views on D3.
It still doesn't justify this level of reaction, it's not as though this would be the first time people see Blizzard mock its 'hardcore' fans attempts to drag a product [that they can choose to buy or not - which is why the level of anger is inane] toward a direction they'd prefer - such as the joke Diablo 3 logo with rainbows and unicorns after fans complained about the graphics style.
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DzX: Just give up. The devs could have said "We agree, you are a very smart man. Please let us marinate your prostate in saliva" and people would still be angry. This has almost nothing to do with what was said and is really just an excuse for people to bash Blizzard for not doing what they want.
If you want me on either service, I suggest PMing me here first to let me know who you are.
I don't really have much to add except Hypernetic pretty much has this thread on lockdown.
Jim Sterling's bombastic, but he's right more often than not.
Will I consider more thoughtfully any purchases I make in the future? You bet, but that has nothing to do with this particular topic.
Anyway, your whole point is basically "if you don't like it leave" which has pretty much never solved anything throughout history.
If I don't like the direction my country is heading in should I move to Canada or should I try to fix things here? Am I wrong for trying to fix things? Wrong for DISCUSSING what I think it is wrong? Wrong for getting angry about it? The D3/Jay Wilson thing is the same thing, albeit on a much smaller scale.
The controversy isn't because Jay Wilson said "fuck that loser" to David Brevik it's because...Originally Posted by b0rsuk
According to Hypernetic, whom you claim to agree with [I assume], this entire debate is about the lack of respect developers show gamers and their opinions...
I'm not sure where you got the idea I'm claiming they do respect gamers though, only that this kind of behavior is the wrong way to go about gaining the respect those complaining appear to crave.