Charming. And you're clearly an idiot. "Gamer" isn't an ideology.
But he does, just not to the degree of others?
I read at a very slow pace because most of my time is taken up by gaming. Am I not a reader? I also don't read books in genres I don't like. Am I not a reader? At what percentage of playing available games/reading available books do we qualify to use the tag "real gamer" under our signatures?
I was going to rant about "investment in the medium" and how it's entertainment and you should really get over yourself, and why my avoiding certain publishers (more or less, unless they release something I really want) is hardly an attempt to bend the world to my whim. But then I thought, as I'm sure many have before me, "I'm not going to argue with a cunt like Kadayi. He's not worth the effort". And I immediately felt much better.
I was going to argue with Kadayi on your behalf, but then I arrived at the same conclusion.
Irrelevant on further examination of the rest of the thread.
All I see is a couple of guys without a viable counter argument.
I think the point is some people put playing the games above any idealogical concerns about what the industry should be. Other people take certain moral standpoints (or even fanboyish adherance to a single platform) and will not play some games they'd otherwise play because of that.
Both those standpoints are valid, but I think the former is more concerned with playing games while the latter is more concerned about the industry as a whole. Whether that makes the former more of a real gamer I can't even say.
I certainly prefer gaming on the PC, for example, but of course I own all three consoles because how else would I play Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Uncharted, Super Mario Galaxy, etc.
Last edited by Kadayi; 25-09-2012 at 12:28 PM.
Look, we all play games, and we all seem to play games pretty religiously.
Part of the whole "eschewing this and that" is our passion for gaming and refusing to support people who really don't give a damn about the people who are, you know, funding their further efforts by buying their shit.
The people who make the game are important. The same way people will refuse to see movies based on actors, or even directors. It's just knowing those people were involved and supporting their brand of screwing the consumer kinda makes some peoples' skin crawl.
And part of being a "true" anything is caring about all this stuff. Part of being a music buff is learning all the people's names from the band, learning who produced it, learning that the singer used to run a farm where they killed puppies. Part of being a movie buff is learning the names of the actors, and the director, and all that.
And part of being a gamer is learning to give a damn about all of this stuff that we've been talking about.
Last edited by Kadayi; 25-09-2012 at 06:10 PM.
I am not personally boycotting any game publisher or developer though, just playing devil's advocate.
You rarely see people boycotting games or even getting that angry about worker conditions though when it comes to gaming. Even though a lot of the crunch conditions are awful. It's generally DRM and DLC.
Most musicians are generally cocks on the whole. I'm hard pressed to think of any who come across as anything less than odious half the time. But I think that's a bi-product of fame and a certain amount of adulation. After years of it there's clearly a tendency to let it go completely to their heads. However as you rightly say what matters is the product, not the person. I don't have much time for Bono (forever immortalized in that southpark episode) but I can't deny that U2 have produced some great tunes over the years.And part of being a true true music/film buff is being able to enjoy the thing despite the external baggage attached to it? I still like Morrissey's music though I find the man to be an insufferable arsehole. Ditto U2. Bernard Manning was an awful racist but he was a brilliant gag writer.
I let politics affect my purchasing decisions. I'm also very much on the side of letting piracy be my consumer advocacy group. Hell, I haven't purchased anything from Blizzard or Ubisoft in years. I'm also very much in the business of rewarding Valve because they are, by far, the fairest publisher out there. Am I hard-line about it? More than Gundato, less than Vinraith.
Also, who cares about Orson Scott Card? Paternalist claptrap back in the age of rose-tinted futurism.