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    Oh Crap! "Illegal" Download in Japan Is Now Criminal Offence

    Starting from this Monday, unauthorized downloading in Japan will be criminal offence, subject to imprisonment below 2 years and fine maximum at JPY 200 million. It seems this regulation will not cover TV broadcasted programmes for the time-being, but those for sales in any format are definitely protected.

    Damn. Gintama has just been renewed for its 5th season. That says no one from Japan will share it (new episode will not be for sale for a period, but I guess most will be scared).

    I dont have any English source for this news but sure you will easily find this news on web. Japan has gone too far on fighting piracy.

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    They've just made that a law? Didn't almost any other country treat (insert media here) piracy to be an offence?
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    I have hard time imagining why officially outlawing piracy would be "too far"?

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    Depending on what you mean by "offence" or "outlawing". Unauthorized downloading is always subject to civil law suits, in most of the world including my country. But in Japan now it is now made criminal offence, meaning unauthorized downloaders, if found guilty, can be imprison and left with criminal record.

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    Maybe they want to be like the US and fill their prisons over capacity

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    I wonder what that means for fan subbing and anime over here dont they realize that most people probably became fans of anime through piracy?

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    I can't even count the amount of things I've become a fan of through piracy then spent lots of money on. Oh no wait, of course that kinda stuff doesn't happen/I'm the only one/whatever excuse to justify limitation of media consumed by the poor.

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    The law wasn't ever the question.

    Enforcement is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    The law wasn't ever the question.

    Enforcement is.
    Yes it was. it isnt a criminal offence in any country I know of. That being said, I dont know any of the asian countries rules very well, but as far as I know, its not a criminal offence in the US either.

    Just like when alabama outlawed illegal immigrants, ie. making it a matter of the police, not the (insert proper american official thing here that takes care of immigrants that dont have the official right to be there)
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    Just like when alabama outlawed illegal immigrants, ie. making it a matter of the police, not the (insert proper american official thing here that takes care of immigrants that dont have the official right to be there)
    KKK is the organisation you were looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feldspar View Post
    KKK is the organisation you were looking for.
    No, I really dont.
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    "Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."

    "It's frankly embarrassing. The mods on here are woeful."

    "I wrinkled my nose at QC being a mod."

    "At least he has some personality."

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    Just like when alabama outlawed illegal immigrants
    I hope you understand the irony of this statement.
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    Well, considering that most of their music and anime/manga is horribly generic crap, it's no wonder that piracy rates are rising and sales are dropping. Most of the stuff just isn't worth buying.
    But where did he come from, this fleck of spite in an abandoned paradise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    I hope you understand the irony of this statement.
    I hope you understand the ramifications. The police are a blunt punitive tool, mostly. They are one step down from the army.

    the legality or illegality is a question that is not supposed to be answered by blunt tools, they lack finesse for that, especially since they do not prove an immediate threat to the public, not like murderers, rapists and kidnappers. And to be honest, Id rather have more police doing work on finding those than on people that migrated here to escape crap treatment in their original countries and people downloading porn and software.
    - Tom De Roeck.

    verse publications

    "Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."

    "It's frankly embarrassing. The mods on here are woeful."

    "I wrinkled my nose at QC being a mod."

    "At least he has some personality."

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    I couldn't live without movies or TV shows. But I won't pay 20 British pounds for a movie (genuine DVDs in China cost a lot). It is wrong to pirate, but it is also wrong to charge 20 pounds for a movie in a country with a different valuation. 20 pounds is around 200 Chinese RMB. My friend works 50+ hours per week at a supermarket and only earns 800 RMB (or 1,000 RMB depending on sales). Now think of this scenario, you earn 800 pounds, would you spend 200 pounds on a movie? No, I didn't think so.

    In the UK, I have hundreds of DVDs because they are more fairly priced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalano View Post
    I hope you understand the irony of this statement.
    It's like when the man outlawed all those illegal drug shipments.

    As for the OP, I don't think you can say this is gone too far. The issue is service, not the police stopping people from pirating anything. Out of interest to the OP, you seem upset at this because you can't watch some new anime or tv show? Did you happen to contact the distributor/production company of the show to express your interest in being able to obtain said show legally and quickly? Or did you just post here, where nothing can be done of it.

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    Also, @OP: as far as I know, downloading TV shows isnt illegal, because they are recordings someone made. Its when you start buying a DVD box, then spreading that everywhere there comes the illegality.

    So you will be safe for a bit.
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    "Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."

    "It's frankly embarrassing. The mods on here are woeful."

    "I wrinkled my nose at QC being a mod."

    "At least he has some personality."

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    It's second hand information, but it seems like they've put in some exceptions that seem to help out fansubbers. They also don't seem to include streaming as that doesn't count as downloading.

    I tend to avoid piracy on principle, but I have to say that as an expat living in japan it's sometimes a lifeline. Without it it is often impossible to access western media, at least in a timely and reasonably priced manner.

    The hope is that now the media industry has this law, they might relax and allow some decent online services.

    Japanese TV and music is so horrendous that I honestly might go insane if i couldn't access some streaming music or tv shows. I'd of course be happy to pay for them, but i'm rarely given that option.

    I wonder if there is any legal DRM-free music store in Japan yet.... thinking still not..

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    Also, @OP: as far as I know, downloading TV shows isnt illegal, because they are recordings someone made. Its when you start buying a DVD box, then spreading that everywhere there comes the illegality.
    Don't know about Japan, but in most places downloading a TV show isn't legal. Most places will allow for you to record a TV program for your own personal use, but distributing that TV show on a torrent network or downloading it still counts as infringement. You don't have the rights to distribute it or really use it for public viewing, only for private use (with some exceptions for educational use usually). Even just downloading (i.e. no uploading at all) is likely a breach because you don't have the rights to watch it per se, particularly if it's only carried by a pay-TV service.

    That said, apart from some DMCA takedown requests (mostly for HBO shows like Game of Thrones) I'm not aware of too many massive lawsuits being filed over TV shows - it's mostly music and movies.
    Last edited by soldant; 07-10-2012 at 03:27 PM. Reason: Changed DCMA to DMCA. Nerfed nargles. Buffed grubbards. Fixed shields not recharging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    The hope is that now the media industry has this law, they might relax and allow some decent online services.
    Why the hell would they do that? The whole reason they're always up in arms about piracy is because they don't have any decent online services that can compete.
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