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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf View Post
    So 5\10(normal metric for mediocrity) or 8.5\10(game metrics)?
    lol, I'd say 6 in the normal metric.

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    The Eurogamer article has just been amended to remove all mention of Dave Cook and Lauren Wainwright after Lauren allegedly threatened EG with legal action.

    That's just... freaking bizarre and shameful. There's some mad crap happening in the specialist press for this industry.

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    Should add that Rab is no longer writing for Eurogamer as a consequence.

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    It says loads that, until this moment, I'd loved Florence's stuff and literally did not have a clue who this Wainwright person was.

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    Just looked at Rab's twitter... sheesh. That stuff is very depressing.

    edit: I suppose this by RevStu is worth quoting, in the EG comments:

    Or EG could just have told her to fuck off. The chances of a libel case being brought were 0.00000000% (margin of error 0%). The chances of one succeeding were substantially lower. An honest and valuable writer has just been sold down the river to appease a useless, worthless shill.
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    The whole thing is a bit mucky tbh, it might end up to be a good thing that this has been exposed, as it's likely a lot of journalists in the Wainwright mold (by which I mean someone who was a fan-girl blogger, with a pretty specific fan-girl blogger style) will now be a bit more careful about how they act towards PR and how they express themselves to their audience.

    I think Lewis Denby makes some pretty good points over at Beefjack; a lot of this newer generation of journalists aren't professionally qualified, they've been plucked from popular blogs and asked to take on roles in which they have not been trained to a professional standard and as such don't really understand the ethical concerns around using Social Media. That's not an excuse, but more of a failing of the industry and the managers who do have that understanding.

    I pretty much agree with the whole of Rab's article and understand why he exposed and named specific journalists, but I bet it feels pretty fucking cruel from their perspectives. That one mistake can end with what feels like the whole industry picking over their bones.
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    This is awful. I really loved his articles, and this one I thought was especially great. It sucks that it's harmed him.

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    If I understood it correctly, Eurogamer told him to change the article and he chose to resign as a consequence of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jockie View Post
    I think Lewis Denby makes some pretty good points over at Beefjack; a lot of this newer generation of journalists aren't professionally qualified
    And old ones are?

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    There is no place in gaming journalism for serious critical professionals.

    -It pays shite because so many people want to do it. Yeah, sure some sites make good cash, but the writers don't. So if a person is actually a talented writer, why would they stick to games journalism once the get past their 20s?

    -They have a financial stake in the products they are reviewing. They need the trips and free products from the publishers in order to do their jobs, and the sites they work for rely on the advertising from the publishers. Car journalism if filled with the same bullshit.

    -The gaming journos with any shred of talent who don't leave gaming entirely end up working for game companies.

    I cannot believe that anyone doubts the compromised nature of the industry. http://www.pcgamer.com/review/dragon-age-2-review/

    Having said that, a few gaming critics have been able to distinguish themselves. They do not, however, work for sites that rely on game industry dollars.

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    Leigh Alexander has also weighed in here.

    I do agree with John's pieces, and I hope that all of this ends up creating a good Streisand effect. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estel View Post
    This should be an RPS piece.

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    1st of all, yes Destructoid. But just for Jim Sterling. A wonderful writer.

    2nd. I'm pissed off that Eurogamer did not stick to their guns, that they made Rab quit and that they edited the article because of a threat. A threat that, if anything, proves Rab right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ado View Post
    1st of all, yes Destructoid. But just for Jim Sterling. A wonderful writer.
    That clown oozes hypocrisy with everything he writes.
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    I've been following the twitter fall out with horrified fascination. The more I see of this type of behaviour, the more I realise why the RPS guys were so keen to set up their own website.

    I agree with John, this whole thing is an utter disgrace. I don't think it is just journalists who have acted disgracefully, though. Some of comments from us gamers have been horrid and I bet much worse has been sent via email.

    In the end, I can't help feel a little sorry for Dave Cook even though he clearly has made a mistake. Yes, both he Lauren Wainwright should have been called out for what they did (along with the others involved) and people should comment on it. Still, it's ridiculous how some people instantly resort to insults and mob behaviour. In the end, it's just not nice to see someone getting bullied by an internet mob.

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    Here's the original article, before it was amended: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ble-of-doritos

    There is an image doing the rounds on the internet this week. It is an image of Geoff Keighley, a Canadian games journalist, sitting dead-eyed beside a garish Halo 4 poster and a table of Mountain Dew and Doritos. It is a tragic, vulgar image. But I think that it is the most important image in games journalism today. I think we should all find it and study it. It is important.


    This might be an image of Geoff Keighley if we're allowed to do that. If not, it'll be Dark Souls again.

    Geoff Keighley is often described as an industry leader. A games expert. He is one of the most prominent games journalists in the world. And there he sits, right there, beside a table of snacks. He will be sitting there forever, in our minds. That's what he is now. And in a sense, it is what he always was. As Executive Producer of the mindless, horrifying spectacle that is the Spike TV Video Game Awards he oversees the delivery of a televisual table full of junk, an entire festival of cultural Doritos.

    How many games journalists are sitting beside that table?

    Recently, the Games Media Awards rolled around again, and games journos turned up to a thing to party with their friends in games PR. Games PR people and games journos voted for their favourite friends, and friends gave awards to friends, and everyone had a good night out. Eurogamer won an award. Kieron Gillen was named an industry legend (and if anyone is a legend in games writing, he is) but he deserves a better platform for recognition than those GMAs. The GMAs shouldn't exist. By rights, that room should be full of people who feel uncomfortable in each other's company. PR people should be looking at games journos and thinking, "That person makes my job very challenging." Why are they all best buddies? What the hell is going on?

    Whenever you criticise the GMAs, as I've done in the past, you face the accusation of being "bitter". I've removed myself from those accusations somewhat by consistently making it clear that I'm not a games journalist. I'm a writer who regularly writes about games, that's all. And I've been happy for people who have been nominated for GMAs in the past, because I've known how much they wanted to be accepted by that circle. There is nothing wrong with wanting to belong, or wanting to be recognised by your peers. But it's important to ask yourself who your peers are, and exactly what it is you feel a need to belong to.


    If I was to accept any kind of bribe to promote a game, I'd take the bribe to promote the amazing Hotline Miami.

    Just today, as I sat down to write this piece, I saw that there were games journalists winning PS3s on Twitter. There was a competition at those GMAs - tweet about our game and win a PS3. One of those stupid, crass things. And some games journos took part. All piling in, opening a sharing bag of Doritos, tweeting the hashtag as instructed. And today the winners were announced. Then a whole big argument happened, and other people who claim to be journalists claimed to see nothing wrong with what those so-called journalists had done. I think the winners are now giving away their PS3s, but it's too late. It's too late. Let me show you an example.

    One games journalist, Lauren Wainwright, tweeted: "Urm... Trion were giving away PS3s to journalists at the GMAs. Not sure why that's a bad thing?"
    Now, a few tweets earlier, she also tweeted this: "Lara header, two TR pix in the gallery and a very subtle TR background. #obsessed @tombraider pic.twitter.com/VOWDSavZ"

    And instantly I am suspicious. I am suspicious of this journalist's apparent love for Tomb Raider. I am asking myself whether she's in the pocket of the Tomb Raider PR team. I'm sure she isn't, but the doubt is there. After all, she sees nothing wrong with journalists promoting a game to win a PS3, right?

    Another journalist, one of the winners of the PS3 competition, tweeted this at disgusted RPS writer John Walker: "It was a hashtag, not an advert. Get off the pedestal." Now, this was Dave Cook, a guy I've met before. A good guy, as far as I could tell. But I don't believe for one second that Dave doesn't understand that in this time of social media madness a hashtag is just as powerful as an advert. Either he's on the defensive or he doesn't get what being a journalist is actually about.

    I want to make a confession. I stalk games journalists. It's something I've always done. I keep an eye on people. I have a mental list of games journos who are the very worst of the bunch. The ones who are at every PR launch event, the ones who tweet about all the freebies they get. I am fascinated by them. I won't name them here, because it's a horrible thing to do, but I'm sure some of you will know who they are. I'm fascinated by these creatures because they are living one of the most strange existences - they are playing at being a thing that they don't understand. And if they don't understand it, how can they love it? And if they don't love it, why are they playing at being it?

    http://images.eurogamer.net/2012/art...lh18_3.jpg.jpg
    And just in case we did use that image of Geoff Keighley, here's this week's Dark Souls repeat.

    This club, this weird club of pals and buddies that make up a fair proportion of games media, needs to be broken up somehow. They have a powerful bond, though - held together by the pressures of playing to the same audience. Games publishers and games press sources are all trying to keep you happy, and it's much easier to do that if they work together. Publishers are well aware that some of you go crazy if a new AAA title gets a crappy review score on a website, and they use that knowledge to keep the boat from rocking. Everyone has a nice easy ride if the review scores stay decent and the content of the games are never challenged. Websites get their exclusives. Ad revenue keeps rolling in. The information is controlled. Everyone stays friendly. It's a steady flow of Mountain Dew pouring from the hills of the money men, down through the fingers of the weary journos, down into your mouths. At some point you will have to stop drinking that stuff and demand something better.

    Standards are important. They are hard to live up to, sure, but that's the point of them. The trouble with games journalism is that there are no standards. We expect to see Geoff Keighley sitting beside a table of s***. We expect to see the flurry of excitement when the GMAs get announced, instead of a chuckle and a roll of the eyes. We expect to see our games journos failing to get what journalistic integrity means. The brilliant writers, like John Walker for example, don't get the credit they deserve simply because they don't play the game. Indeed, John Walker gets told to get off his pedestal because he has high standards and is pointing out a worrying problem.

    Geoff Keighley, meanwhile, is sitting beside a table of snacks. A table of delicious Doritos and refreshing Mountain Dew. He is, as you'll see on Wikipedia, "only one of two journalists, the other being 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace, profiled in the Harvard Business School press book 'Geeks and Geezers' by noted leadership expert Warren Bennis." Geoff Keighley is important. He is a leader in his field. He once said, "There's such a lack of investigative journalism. I wish I had more time to do more, sort of, investigation." And yet there he sits, glassy-eyed, beside a table heaving with sickly Doritos and Mountain Dew.

    It's an important image. Study it.



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    Looking seedier and Seedier, I'm sorry but people should be naming and shaming now, fuck the guys who want to libel on a writer just because they are hurt by something they are doing, complaining about it just makes their position much clearer they are corrupt especially that woman.

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    Yes, the image of Geoff Keighley really sums up everything that's wrong in mainstream games journalism.

    @Dexter: thanks for posting the original article, I stumbled over the EG article only after it has been censored and didn't notice what was missing.
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    I'm rather disappointed that RPS isn't writing about any of this in an official way btw., this is exactly what they SHOULD be prominently writing about, but I guess there's a reputation to protect with sponsors and publishers and all that and John has to use his Blog for any of this...

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