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    I installed the free (for 90 days) RTm version as a dual boot. The install is very fast and painless. (took under 10 mins).

    As someone on Vista (which is fine) I think at the current prices it's probably a no-brainer to upgrade. I'm just installing all my main software in the RTM first to check that nothing essential doesn't work. If you were on vista then it's probably not necessary, but given the price it's hardly an issue.

    Metro is a pain with a mouse, but if you use the keyboard then it seems ok.

    Does anyone know if/when the discount promo will end?

    PS/ i asked on the other thread, but what do people think about running win 8 with no 3rd party AV or firewall? It has MS AV built in. I use Avast free AV on vista, but the results for MS AV are reasonably similar.
    How about win 8 firewall. XP/Vista firewall was very basic and so I installed Comodo Free. But win 8 firewall seems a little more advanced.
    I just have this horrible feeling about running Windows without installing AV and Firewall... it's never been a good idea before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    Does anyone know if/when the discount promo will end?
    Yes, it will. Can't remember when it it's only on for a few months.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    I use Avast free AV on vista, but the results for MS AV are reasonably similar.
    You should be fine. Spyware/adware is the greater threat rather than the traditional virus, but the newer Windows Defender is fairly good.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    How about win 8 firewall. XP/Vista firewall was very basic and so I installed Comodo Free. But win 8 firewall seems a little more advanced.
    If you have a router many attacks by default will fail because it won't be able to forward the traffic. Since Vista (or maybe WinXP SP3, can't remember) Windows Firewall has offered inbound and outbound protection so it's fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillButNotBen View Post
    I just have this horrible feeling about running Windows without installing AV and Firewall... it's never been a good idea before.
    I dropped an AV package years and years ago when I was still on XP, and I dropped a firewall package with Vista. Spyware and adware are the greatest threats, but you can avoid the vast majority of them anyway. Again if you're got a router the need for a firewall goes down a fair bit, they're more useful these days for stopping a known thing from phoning home (which Windows Firewall has been able to do for ages now). Furthermore if you enable UAC it'll provide an additional layer of protection, but it's still so god-damn annoying that I don't blame you if you don't.

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    I have a broken laptop lying around, with a Vista serial number sticker on it.
    Could I use that to aquire Win8 cheap as an upgrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad guy View Post
    I have a broken laptop lying around, with a Vista serial number sticker on it.
    Could I use that to aquire Win8 cheap as an upgrade?
    Seems like any machine with XP/Vista/7 is eligible and it seems not to bother how dubious the method that you use to get it was. Look at my previous post for the promo code to bring the price down to 14.99€. But you can't upgrade a 32bit XP/Vista/7 machine with the Upgrade Assistant, I think you can do a clean install for that.


    The 14.99€/$/ seems to be running till Feb 28th 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by soldant View Post
    Google it.
    Funny! I'm discussing invoking manual TRIM without resorting to the command prompt and you are talking about how TRIM works. Please reply with an on-topic answer: how has Win8 made it easier to invoke a manual TRIM or any other SSD related task for the normal user? BTW, Win7 does not automatically disable defrag for SSDs, where did you pull that from? Google a bit, get back with some more solid info on this and reply back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soldant View Post
    You really don't understand much about Win8, do you?
    this is hilarious! You really want me to talk to you like a child?
    Ok then little buddy, do you know what WinRT was made for? To get developers to make metro aps for Windows 8! and how do we do that kids? By making it easy for lazy developres to write stupidly unoptimized applications and sell them on an app store!

    Look at the amazing Google and what it brings up!
    Create your first Windows Store app using JavaScript
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr.../br211385.aspx

    Databinding in Windows 8 JavaScript Metro Style Apps
    http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/...Metro-Style-Ap


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    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    Ok then little buddy, do you know what WinRT was made for? To get developers to make metro aps for Windows 8! and how do we do that kids? By making it easy for lazy developres to write stupidly unoptimized applications and sell them on an app store
    So basically they should have made something ridiculously complex that requires assembly code or something? You are also aware that you can code your app in C++, C#, or... actually, forget it, it's clear that you're not actually reading anything at all.

    Really, do you even have a point to your posts? You're seriously grasping at straws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soldant View Post
    You are also aware that you can code your app in C++, C#, or...
    you are also aware that this is possible with Win XP and above?
    ugh... there's a reason for WinRT:
    WinRT components are designed with an eye to interoperability between multiple languages and APIs
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Runtime

    Microsoft is betting on crappy developers using javascript in combination with microsoft's COM based extensions. These extensions are written by the core Windows team in C++ so they're fast and optimized (good) but in the real world there will ALWAYS be a case where a windoows control is not enough and custom code will have to be written to implement features.
    So developers are faced with two options: release a limited application with features only supported in the core windows extensions, or implement the custom features using C++ (l33t coders), C#/VB.Net (managed code posers) or javascript (n00bz). Since C++ programmers are not exactly a dime a dozen, guess who the average metro style developer will be? Most likely also metrosexual.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    you are also aware that this is possible with Win XP and above?
    Which has nothing to do with what we're discussing! We're talking about WinRT, which has nothing to do with WinXP or 7 or your toaster for that matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    ugh... there's a reason for WinRT:
    Well at least you finally got one thing partially right... but if you were reading I mentioned the entire idea behind WinRT quite a while back. Hint: cross-platform.

    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    do your homework!
    I don't need to. For a start I don't need to quote Wikipedia, nor do I need to make up nonsense like C++ IZ FOR LEET CODERZ.

    Quote Originally Posted by mashakos View Post
    Microsoft is betting on crappy developers using javascript in combination with blah blah also metrosexual.
    What the hell are you talking about? Did you just go on a rant about programming languages and then toss in something about metrosexuals?

    Okay, yeah, I give up, you win whatever the hell it is that you're trying to argue. Logic well and truly has gone out the window with your posts, it's not worth trying to argue about (or even navigate) whatever ridiculous idea you've come up with.

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    This is going nowhere. Enjoy your purchase of Windows 8.
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    Ok. Now that's over. Back on topic. Anyone else want to throw their opinions in on the need/lack of need for an AV or Firewall on win 7/8?
    (though soldant seems to know what he's talking about - thanks dude! It'd just be nice to get a few more opinions. )

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    How is gaming on the Windows 8, btw? Any problems so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madzack View Post
    How is gaming on the Windows 8, btw? Any problems so far?
    Comparable. Pretty much every game that ran on Win7 will run on Win8 without issues. The last benchmarks I saw show a slight decrease in performance from Win7, but it's so slight that it's not something you'll notice and only something that really appears in synthetic benchmarks. It's most likely due to relatively new GPU drivers and the gap will close fairly quickly (if it hasn't already).

    Steam still hasn't been updated to allow for its weblinks to work (i.e. the Forum or Manual links from game pages don't do anything - it seems to be unable to pick a web browser to launch).

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    I think it's worth remembering that a LOT of people upgraded to W7 straight from XP (anyone with sense, that is) and that meant they saw a fairly big change, quite a few benefits etc. etc.

    The move from W7 to W8 is nothing like that sort of a leap - I think MS realise this and hence the discounts to tease you in (before they resort to the childish shit like locking games exclusively to Win8).

    I have 2 PCs running the RP of Win8 and whilst I don't dislike using them, I can think of no reason to upgrade this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by trjp View Post
    (before they resort to the childish shit like locking games exclusively to Win8)
    If you're referring to Halo 2, well, fair point, there was no good reason for that.

    If you're referring to DX10, there was no way DX10 was going to be ported back to XP along with WDDM etc. I would have thought that the absolute failure of DX10 on XP attempts had proven that it was not an arbitrary switch they flipped to lock it into Vista.

    In any case, I don't know how you propose that Microsoft lock games exclusively to Win8. They don't hold sway over the majority of publishers or developers, and Dx9 is still standard for games even though Dx10 and Dx11 have been around for quite a few years. This locking games in thing will only be relevant for WinRT apps which are locked to Win8 for blatantly obvious reasons. Any other lock is ridiculous, and Microsoft know that.

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    my hate is no start button, i hope windows will see enough negative feedback to announce things in service pack 1, i think im dubious about getting a new game spec beforehand

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianjones View Post
    my hate is no start button, i hope windows will see enough negative feedback to announce things in service pack 1, i think im dubious about getting a new game spec beforehand
    Download Classic Shell. Was one of the first things I did when I upgraded to Win8.

    http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

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    If you have a router many attacks by default will fail
    Shouldnt all Internet Providers have routers with most "bad" ports already closed ? Unless you have a specific reason, use virtual IP and you dont need a custom firewall just for that.

    I just have this horrible feeling about running Windows without installing AV and Firewall... it's never been a good idea before.
    I was a worrier too, then i happened to reinstall OS one day, and just didnt bother with all the AV/Firewall crap. Got one virus in four years, that rebooted my system 30 seconds after startup, cured it in 30 minutes and thats about all that happened on that front. Maybe i'm just lucky (or dont go to any porn sites. seriously, when i had firewall porn sites will ram your doors like an insane bull on steroids).

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    Was hugely dubious about win8 from trying it on a vm, however my laptop was running like a dog in win7 due to windows cruft so I thought I'd upgrade while I was at it. Hugely impressed so far, the interface is so clean, even metro has grown on me, but the biggie really is how clean the desktop interface is (even little things like file copying). Worth the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karry View Post
    Shouldnt all Internet Providers have routers with most "bad" ports already closed ? Unless you have a specific reason, use virtual IP and you dont need a custom firewall just for that.
    Not necessarily. My ISP doesn't block any ports and most of them over here won't block ports either, except port 80 to stop people hosting web servers (even then it's remarkably uncommon). Closing "bad" ports can have unwanted side effects if legitimate services decide to use that port, and even some of the "bad" ports have legitimate uses.

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