What is the agenda of any political party that is in power? To remain in power, and to increase their reach while in power. I've given several examples in this thread. Along with power comes profit - and even if the people as a whole suffer psychologically and economically from the war, individuals find ways to derive personal gain.
This is no conspiracy, there is no secret evil mastermind pulling the strings. It's politics and selfishness on an individual level.
I don't feel like doing so. Providing facts and citations to prove a statement as obvious as "war is a profitable business" doesn't seem like a useful way to pass my time, when all I'm getting out of this exchange are single sentence dismissive answers.
You're free to think what you will, it's no skin off my nose.
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Your statement is "a representative democratic government is impossible because there can be no such thing as a peaceful transfer of power as the rewards of avarice are too great, and as such both political parties are equally corrupt if not in cahoots and the democratic process is pointless." And that is demonstrably untrue.
*for certain contractors
No, I don't think such a government is impossible - I do, wholeheartedly, think it has its fair share of flaws. This is also an obvious statement that I feel doesn't need any further explanation to convince anyone.
Unfortunately, I don't know of a better option in the real world. That's why I feel it's productive to discuss these problems and, maybe, reflect on how the system could be improved. Yes, I do think both parties are corrupt - not equally, and not totally, but yes, both.
Just like basically any other political institution in the world.
Humans are very flawed beings, there's no point in idealizing those in power. But that doesn't mean the democratic process is pointless. It has many limitations - the two-party dichotomy in the USA, for starters, doesn't help, the political attack ads are a disgrace, the way corporate money seeps into the campaigns and attaches strings to the candidates for the next four years - but it's still the best system we've got, methinks.
I didn't mean to imply that anyone here idealizes politicians. But I pointed out that corruption and selfishness permeate the political system because those are inherent human traits. Adding that denying that fact would equate to idealizing the politicians themselves.
I felt you misrepresented my point in that quote, I'm expanding and trying to clarify it... I don't think I have a 'problem', per se, but I don't have a grand point I'm trying to prove, either. I'm just sharing my viewpoint on a variety of subjects as the conversation develops - you're free to ignore them if you want, I just don't see any reason for such a defensive stance.
Anyway with this financial event looming what are our US RPSrs thoughts on how that's going to play out? Do you think the Republicans are going to be all stuck in the muds like they were last time on the taxes issue until the very last minute? Or do you think they're going to concede some ground so people don't view them as completely unreasonable?
The Iraq War was primarily waged to gain control of the country's oil fields, and then provide American MNCs with contracts so that they could profiteer. Definitely more organizations than just certain contractors made hay there.Originally Posted by Nalano
the US needs a eurogamer style take on politicians: if youre personally involved, you cant be a politician.
F4 Phantoms are still active in Turkey - "The military said the operation includes commandos, Special Forces and paramilitary Special Forces. They are being reinforced by F-16 and F-4 warplanes, Super Cobra helicopter gunships and surveillance drones."
I am also quite sure that the Turkish F-4 planes have the same missile defences as the F-16 have, as those planes can be upgraded. The F-16 can actually be shot down by cold war defenses (This happened in Serbia) The F-117A has been shot down by aging cold war defenses in Serbia.
As for the Mortar Strike - This happened in Korea as well (Remember that Artillery and the "This is not Starcraft" thing?) - I am quite sure that South Korea does not want open war - They retialited to show that they are not to be trifled with.
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