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    Going is slow, make no mistake, but its nice to know that my Zombie horde is on the path to independence. It's bizzare how the game doesn't stop you rushing off to do stuff you really shouldn't risk.

    Want to send your 2 starting peons to get treasure you can, want to split them up and found 2 towns? Go ahead, want to dedicatedly build a beaver killing coat making empire, why not.?

    It's a great game, even at this reduced pace.
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    Remember the Boston Tea Party? I just had the Patient Zero Tool Party, not quite as catchy but the likihood of a "grass roots", political movement being named after it is slim, so that's something.
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    Would you be interested in doing another game with The Authentic Colonization mod? It's a small download, simple install and sits alongside vanilla no problem. Lots of small tweaks, I've played it a lot more than I've played vanilla now so I'm not sure of the precise differences, but there's a few I can list.

    - New settlements have no buildings. Obviously makes the opening slower, but it means construction priorities and town specialisation are more important and need more planning.

    - Farms and plantations are different improvements, with plantations providing more trade resources and less food. Again makes town specialisation more important

    - Oppressed natives are more of a threat. They seem more likely to fight back if you keep taking their land (rather than randomly giving you their villages).

    - Significant changes to the end game. I haven't actually played either the mod or vanilla to independece, but there's more details in the link.

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    Looks interesting, I would have no problem in adding a mod. Although I might need a game or two to get the feel for it.

    edit: At the moment I am playing Age of Further Discovery mod a lot. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=326342) I think it uses some of the ideas and set ups of your mod as well.
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    That the mod promotes further specialisation is hilarious to me when I note that every FAQ I have found suggests turning every single town to a metropolis. Early on before caravans and manufacturing specialists the opposite seems true by my experience. Each "man" in a one man town can do 2 jobs. For example set a town on a cotton deposit and have the man make cloth? The town gathers the cotton, the worker processes it.

    Sure a stacked town builds stuff faster by getting the wood, food and production done but there is no reason such a workforce couldn't exist souly in a hub, or as part of a migratory workforce.

    Still you end up guarding a bigger area but that's what dragoons are for.
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    FAQ for the mod, or vanilla? I haven't played a whole lot of vanilla so maybe I'm wrong, but I've been having fun with the mod and my friend who's spent more time with both prefers it. On your cotton example - you can do that, but you're wasting a lot of resources. Put a town on a cotton deposit and you'll get what, 3 or 4 cotton a turn? One non-specialist can process that much. Build the town next to a cotton deposit, build a plantation on the deposit and have it worked by an expert planter, and you'll get 12-14 per turn.

    The idea is to balance out your production - if you have miners and lumberjacks and blacksmiths in every town it makes them all self sufficient, but if you produce wood and ore in the best sited towns and ship them where they're needed, you can spread out more and tap more resources, because you don't have redundant people doing the same job in many places. And if each town is making 4x as much money as a one man town sitting on a resource node, you can afford extra specialists and soldiers easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelron View Post
    FAQ for the mod, or vanilla? I haven't played a whole lot of vanilla so maybe I'm wrong, but I've been having fun with the mod and my friend who's spent more time with both prefers it. On your cotton example - you can do that, but you're wasting a lot of resources. Put a town on a cotton deposit and you'll get what, 3 or 4 cotton a turn? One non-specialist can process that much. Build the town next to a cotton deposit, build a plantation on the deposit and have it worked by an expert planter, and you'll get 12-14 per turn.
    You are right of course, but FAQs/Guides for vanilla suggest anything less than a 9 man town is a mistake, where early on that would be a bloated travesty unable to tap key resources around the map.

    If you sat an expert cloth maker on a cotton deposit next to a river you'd be outputting 6 cloth a turn with no waste, and some excess food too, not bad for just one man no?
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    You either focus or swarm out. Both have advantages and disadvantages and it comes down to personal preference. At this moment though, with the rather peace loving collonists and the hidden (maybe to well hidden) natives your swarm out tactic might work. Yet in a more "normal" game you would rake up native anger in no time and have way to few soldiers to defend all your towns. Thats the reason of the metropolis type build, it's the safer option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominicus View Post
    Yet in a more "normal" game you would rake up native anger in no time and have way to few soldiers to defend all your towns. Thats the reason of the metropolis type build, it's the safer option.
    True, I only really swarmed out once I realised no-one else lived on my little rock.
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    So who is up for the second game? We need 4 for a full game I gues.

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    I guess an AAR report might be needed to really sell this game, people will be expecting a civ clone. And it's more like a strategic roguelike when you consider the (notably absent from our current game) natives and the royals. Sure, it lacks truly random events but the boost in aggression natives get when you sell them guns and the way the king reacts to your behaviour really feels "right".
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    The land of the free and the home of the dead is coming along nicely.


    I'm thinking about how to frame the write up, but I do have plenty to write about, even while the game might lack the intensity of Solium Infernum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    The land of the free and the home of the dead is coming along nicely.


    I'm thinking about how to frame the write up, but I do have plenty to write about, even while the game might lack the intensity of Solium Infernum.
    Eek. you have a lot of settlements!

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    What? These old things? I have more now. :D
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    If you are still looking for players for round 2, I'm all up for it - not that I have played a lot of the game, maybe 4-5 times. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yello Rambo View Post
    If you are still looking for players for round 2, I'm all up for it - not that I have played a lot of the game, maybe 4-5 times. :)
    Just for reference's sake :)

    <EDIT: Nevermind, I was going to post this in the other topic. Brain fart FTW.>
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    Oh, say can you see by the dawn of the dead's early light
    What so proudly we hailed at the
    twilight the vampire's last gleaming?
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    O'er the land of the free and the
    home of the dead!
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