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    Next Crusader Kings II DLC announced: Republics

    http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...ublic-revealed!

    The latest expansion for Crusader Kings II is looking to launch the fleets of the medieval merchant republics, offering a very different gameplay style to the feudal lords we’ve lived through so far. Using trade, wealth, and political savvy, you’ll have to lead your Patrician family to greatness in Venice, Genoa, Pisa, the Hanseatic League, or Gotland. We sent our spymaster to “Extract Details” from project lead Henrik Fåhraeus, which you can dig into below.

    PC Gamer: What are the main differences you will notice playing as a patrician instead of a feudal leader?

    Henrik Fåhraeus, Project Lead: First off, you will probably notice the graphical and interface differences; the new GUI skin, the clothes of your character and the new “Republic” button in the top bar. Then, as you explore the interface changes, you will discover your “Family Palace”, which is a special Holding that you can upgrade with buildings just like a Castle or City. You can also build trade posts in all coastal provinces on the map. This is yet another new type of Holding that provides both you and the province owner with more income, and, if upgraded, with other perks. The Republican game is not a game of thrones and dynastic alliances, but of trade and gold. The great merchant republics seek to control the coasts of Europe with trade posts and cities.

    Do Republics exist as their own discreet nations on the board and capture territory like the existing states?

    HF: Yes, they do. In fact, they are already there, as players might have noticed. For example, Venice, Genoa and Pisa are currently republics, but they are not playable. With patch 1.09, their special mechanics become much more fleshed out, with trade posts, Patrician families, new casus bellis, etc. The new expansion – “Crusader Kings II: The Republic” – makes them playable (and adds some new graphics, such as unique clothes.)


    How do religion and Casus Belli operate for republics?

    HF: There is no change to the religion mechanics for republics, but Patricians do have access to some additional Casus Bellis: they can seize trade posts from rivals, they can take coastal cities from anyone in order to support their trade posts, and they can take entire coastal provinces if they already have a city there. Republics are also subject to the new Embargo Casus Belli, which can be used against them by external powers in order to destroy their trade posts for an instant sum of money, representing seized assets.

    Can your dynasty be “elected out” of power, like the Elective succession system in the existing game? How do you go about preventing this?

    HF: Yes indeed. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Doges might rule for life, but when they die there is an election where the next Doge is selected from among the five great Patrician families; the Lucchese, the Bonnanno, the Gambino… no, wait… well, you get the point. The new Doge will normally be the oldest, most prestigious family head, but players can also boost their chances by investing money in their “campaign fund” (for bribes and such.) However, losing an election is not Game Over; you just keep playing and planning how to regain control of the republic. In fact, it will be very hard to keep control of the Doge position for many consecutive terms…

    Are there any specific things Republics can do that feudal domains cannot? Anything they can’t do?

    HF: There are some rather major differences. Republican gameplay centers around cities and the amassing of gold rather than castles and territorial expansion. Patricians can build Trade Posts in coastal provinces, which will generate serious income for them (and give a slight boost to the local Count too.) Republics can, of course, also expand the usual way through conquest, and they can gain alliances with feudal lords through marriage. However, inheritance between the two types of realm is blocked. For example, if you marry a countess, your oldest son might become Patrician after you, but your second oldest could inherit the county from your wife, and so on.

    How do republics interact with their vassals? What happens when a republic conquers a feudal territory?

    HF: There is no real difference. Just like republics can be vassals of feudal lords, they in turn can be in fief to republics. However, the five Patrician families do play a very special role within republics, competing for trade and trying to get elected Doge.

    Are the new trade mechanics specific to republics, or can anyone make use of them?

    HF: The new trade mechanics are quite specific to republics. Only Patricians can own or build trade posts. However, feudal lords will benefit from their existence since they increase the wealth of all cities in the same province. Feudal lords (and rival republics, of course) can also choose to embargo a Republic, destroying its trade posts, for a short term money gain (and Piety, if it’s an infidel Republic.)

    How do you handle things like the Hanseatic League existing alongside, for instance, the Kingdom of Denmark? Are they considered a vassal? How do they interact with the feudal lords in the overlapping territories?

    HF: The Hanseatic League is modeled as a vassal Republic to the Holy Roman Empire. It consists of cities, some of which exist inside normal feudal counties, and at least one of which is a county capital (Lübeck, usually.) This is the way Republics tend to flourish; they take minor cities and build trade posts, only bothering with conquering entire counties when it is opportune or necessary to reduce the cost of building new trade posts. Incidentally, the Hansa, while it does not exist in 1066, can come into existence through special events.

    What benefits do you get by controlling trade, and how do you defend your trade routes? Will we finally be seeing naval combat?

    HF: Trade posts are a lot like regular holdings (cities, castles and temples), but they can be built in any coastal province, not just your own (though the cost increases with the distance from your territory). Only one trade post can exist per province. Bigger trade zones (areas of connected trade posts and controlled sea zones) yield more money, so you want to try to maintain chains of trade posts and to hold trade posts in a majority of the ports around a sea zone. If someone wants to take or destroy your trade posts, they normally have to win a war against you first – though Patricians within the same republic can also plot to take each other’s trade posts. You can upgrade your trade posts with various buildings (again like other holdings), which can, for example, increase the maximum size of your Retinue. There is no naval combat involved; we still feel that it would not suit Crusader Kings II very well.

    Is there a mechanic for starting a new republic? Can republics have “de jure” holdings and things like that?

    HF: Feudal lords cannot switch over to Republican style gameplay, but they can create proper vassal Merchant Republics by granting a county and a Duchy to a vassal Mayor in a coastal province. Republics have a “de jure” title hierarchy just like everyone else, which they can use to expand in the good old fashioned way…

    What benefits does becoming Doge give you? Does it grant you power over the other patrician families?

    HF: Being Doge is a huge advantage because it gives you control over all assets in the Republic; levies and taxes. Of course, you also get to dictate top level foreign policy…

    This expansion fills in one of the remaining blanks in Crusader Kings II – the great merchant republics of the era. You can now take the Most Serene Republic of Venice to greatness, or one of the other republics (though why would you, with a glorious name like that? Forza La Serenissima!) Playable and improved Republics is one of the most requested features by our players and a very natural progression for the game. Even if you do not buy the DLC, you will be able to interact with the fleshed out computer controlled Republics and their trade empires, and, since we are such nice guys, the free patch (1.09) will contain a whole slew of other neat little features (some of which people have actually even asked for.)

    Thanks to Henrik and the Paradox crew for the info. The Republic is set for release in Q1 2013. Keep an eye on the Crusader Kings II official site for more.

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    Good timing :O

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    Brilliant stuff. I suppose they thought it was time to reassure the community after the somewhat negative reaction to the comedy Aztec DLC - Not that i had anything against it personally. This sounds like it's going to mix things up in a pretty big way. Now all we need is a pagan DLC, and i'll never need to buy another grand strategy game ever again...well, until the next Europa Universalis. I'm rather looking forward to starting a campaign in Crusader Kings 2, playing until 1444, and then switching over to EU 4.

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    I suppose they thought it was time to reassure the community after the somewhat negative reaction to the comedy Aztec DLC
    I would bet they were developed in parallel, Aztec was a minor DLC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakoito View Post
    I would bet they were developed in parallel, Aztec was a minor DLC.
    Oh yes, definitely. I meant that they thought it was time to reassure the community by issuing a press release. I appreciate that it was a little vague.

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    Sounds good, I'll be buying this. This game has a very good DLC policy.
    Irrelevant on further examination of the rest of the thread.

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    Yup, that's an easy buy for me. The only ones I've skipped were the silly Aztec thing and the cheat code (i.e. the ruler creator).

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinraith View Post
    Yup, that's an easy buy for me. The only ones I've skipped were the silly Aztec thing and the cheat code (i.e. the ruler creator).
    To be fair you can just use the ruler creator to give yourself a beard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duff View Post
    To be fair you can just use the ruler creator to give yourself a beard.
    That would create an unfair facial hair advantage. :)

    Seriously though, I have no probem with the ruler creator existing (and other folks using it) but I'm glad it's DLC so I can just ignore it. If I'm going to play a historical game, I want my ruler to be a historical figure.

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    I thought most of the characters weren't historical? and I'd say they managed to make the character creator quite balanced, of course, I've only used it once, as of yet.

    Aaand, I'll have to buy this, Being a Doge sounds too good to pass.

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    (I think) all the characters you can pick from the 'new game' map are realistic, as are *some* of the AI's children as you play through. I'm not sure to what extent this is true though.
    I'm Respecting your culture!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorzan View Post
    I thought most of the characters weren't historical?
    Like all (recent) Paradox games, starting characters and positions are historical, everything that comes along after that is not because you've affected the flow of events.

    All of this with the caveat that, in western Europe, we're talking about the Dark Ages so the historical record is more than a little shaky.
    Last edited by vinraith; 08-12-2012 at 06:25 PM.

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    Yay \o/

    That is all

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    I agree with Timofee. This sounds fantastic. I just wish that Paradox could manage to make old saves compatible with new versions of the game.

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    This does sound cool. I wish I was better at this game, though.

    Also, I wish they would update the damned tutorial to include some of the new features. For example, it took me a long time to realize that you can now set up a plot to assassinate virtually anyone from their character screen. I had become so frustrated that I could only choose to assassinate people via the intrigue menu, where the game basically just seems to randomly decide who's worthy of being killed.

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    Right, I'm sick of you lot talking about this damn game. I wan't to know why it's so good!

    Where should I start?

    I don't own anything yet. Tell me what to pick up!

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    Secondary Hivemind Nexus vinraith's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus_Phish View Post
    Right, I'm sick of you lot talking about this damn game. I wan't to know why it's so good!

    Where should I start?

    I don't own anything yet. Tell me what to pick up!
    All you really need is the base game. The DLC's come in two basic flavors: aesthetic enhancements and new nation options (making sultanates playable, for example). Neither is necessary, so there's little reason to grab those until you've played the game a bit and know whether you enjoy it.

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    A further yay! Espeically in light of the aztec one I just skipped over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinraith View Post
    All you really need is the base game. The DLC's come in two basic flavors: aesthetic enhancements and new nation options (making sultanates playable, for example). Neither is necessary, so there's little reason to grab those until you've played the game a bit and know whether you enjoy it.
    Aren't Retinues only active if you've got the Byzantium DLC? ckiiwiki suggests this, and I seem to recall this myself. Retinues are quite a significant gameplay change, so Legacy of Rome might be worth getting. On the other hand the game is perfectly fine without Retinues, it just takes some getting used to when you've played without them and then you get them!
    Irrelevant on further examination of the rest of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanH View Post
    Aren't Retinues only active if you've got the Byzantium DLC? ckiiwiki suggests this, and I seem to recall this myself. Retinues are quite a significant gameplay change, so Legacy of Rome might be worth getting. On the other hand the game is perfectly fine without Retinues, it just takes some getting used to when you've played without them and then you get them!
    I haven't played at all since i got Legacy of Rome (pesky end-of-semester rush!), so I honestly don't know.

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