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    No BF3 on Steam. No Origin. Join the boycott. Be one of the early adopters.

    No BF3 on Steam. No Origin. Join the boycott. Be one of the early adopters.

    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/EAoriginboycott

    This is genuine attempt at creating a Steam EA Origin Boycott Group. Please join if you, like me, feel incredibly aggrieved by EA’s Battlefield 3 boycott on Valve’s Steam platform. Personally I find the bully boy EA tactics appalling especially after Steam saved PC gaming. This is about a massive corporation muscling in, stealing market share and leveraging off the millions of dollars Valve has invested in Steam over the last five years.

    It is not so much the fact that Origin is yet another gaming platform it is the fact that we are being forced to use it to play Battlefield 3 if you want a digital version. This is a big deal but PC Gamers do have a large voice especially since Battlefield games sell more on PCs than consoles – so we should use it. Steam is the premier platform but it’s not a monopoly. You can buy digital games from a number of places. However, we all have 10’s or even 100’s of games on Steam and thanks to Steam we as a PC gaming community have been conditioned to accept digital downloads not to mention the friends social network is second to none. These are just two of the many reasons why we all love Steam.

    Do you really think EA has PC Gamers interests at heart? … really? They’ve spent over $1.5bn on casual social games chasing the latest trend destroying massive shareholder value. They would ditch PC gaming in a minute as soon as it started making a loss while they continue to cosy up to Facebook - Bejeweled vs Zombiesville 9 is the future of PC Gaming right? Crysis 2 was pulled from Steam due to an exclusivity agreement with Direct2Drive breaching Steam's T&C's and then EA had the affront to sell it for even more on its own Origin platform. Furthermore the recently announced SWTOR Origin version has unique content (Star Wars: The Old Republic Digital Deluxe Edition) and cost $79.99 versus the packaged retail standard edition of $59.99... is this a joke? I'm not laughing and I’m not seeing the PC Gamer love and nor should you.

    That’s not the way to do it. This is not the way PC Gamers work ... when did less become more? You all have an opportunity to tell EA “No. That’s not how it works. I don’t like what you are doing”. To be blunt if Steam is good enough for Activison’s Call of Duty franchise (whether you love it or hate it) then it’s good enough for Battlefield. And that’s the reality. The mighty Activision is still using Steam. Say’s a hell of a lot doesn’t it? The problem we have here is if other publishers start to do the same we're going to have 5+ platforms running - imagine having to log into 5 different social networks every day. Not to mention the stress on PCs running all these platforms in the background as they hoover up client usage data/stats and send it back to the marketing departments so that we get hammered with ads and spam. It’s a real possibility. Even today there is an article on a gaming website claiming that Steam EA game codes can be redeemed via Origin and that Origin loads the Steam overlay when you start the game (Dragon Age 2). This is just ridiculous. We just want Battlefield 3 on Steam. We have to say now… “Stop”.

    Sadly, I fully expect Origin to be integrated into Battlefield 3 even in the packaged product so we cannot escape it even if you buy the disc - it's all about them capturing CRM data in their Nucleus database . All I can suggest is that you sign up to this boycott group (link below) and you pre-order the packaged version. At least don’t let EA have the extra profits and fatter margins that they would generate from a digital copy sold on Origin. .. $79.99 for a digital product really?

    I’ll see you all on the Battlefield but this whole episode has left me deflated and not as excited as I should be to the forthcoming release of Battlefield 3. Bizarrely Modern Warfare 3 now has me more excited and that’s coming from a PC Gamer who has played every Battlefield game religiously since Battlefield 1942 came out a decade or so ago. And with Red Orchestra 2 out a month or two earlier Battlefield 3 already had its work cut out. The decision is being made easier by the day.

    Me, I'm just a 40 year old PC gamer who is rather annoyed by all of this, yeah call me Victor Meldrew. But I really “don’t believe it”. DICE we love you… but EA… “Just stop” . Please tell your friends (friends of friends etc) and get them to join the group. It's time for some organised protest old school style . Everything starts off small but hopefully it will snowball into a PC Gamer movement that wants to speak up for PC Gamers. To make this happen please post the Steam Group link in any articles, blogs, Youtubes, twitters, Facebook etc about Battlefield 3. If you've the time then why not do it to other EA games. Let’s remind people we don’t have to accept this.

    Remember it will not end here. Mass Effect 3 will be next. It's time to act... The PC Gamer community needs you all now.

    The Steam EA Origin Boycott Group

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    Boycott Origin? This is 1999 all over again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizardry View Post
    Boycott Origin? This is 1999 all over again!
    BOOM. Now drop the mic and walk off stage. Leave 'em guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizardry View Post
    Boycott Origin? This is 1999 all over again!
    I for one will be boycotting Origin until there is a command line interface where I can ask NAME and JOB.

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    Speaking of conditioning, the idea that you should pre-order the game in any form is patently ridiculous. Is there any other comparable product you buy that you pay for months in advance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smashbox View Post
    Speaking of conditioning, the idea that you should pre-order the game in any form is patently ridiculous. Is there any other comparable product you buy that you pay for months in advance?
    You can pre-order DVDs, CDs. Tickets for a cinema trip can be made, maybe not months, but weeks in advance. The pre-order market for games maybe bigger than those, but it isn't unique.

    As for boycotting, when was the last time you bought a Valve product from any other download service than Steam? They might be singling Steam out, but they are providing more choice than Valve do for their products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandelay View Post
    You can pre-order DVDs, CDs. Tickets for a cinema trip can be made, maybe not months, but weeks in advance.
    Do you purchase these things in advance? My only point is that the games retail and publishing industry has made a serious years-long push to make pre-ordering (letting them collect interest on your money) the new normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smashbox View Post
    Do you purchase these things in advance? My only point is that the games retail and publishing industry has made a serious years-long push to make pre-ordering (letting them collect interest on your money) the new normal.
    Fun financial fact: Banked money devalues at ~3.5% per year in the UK at current economic times due to inflation being at 4% and interest being at 0.5% And someone said that on Radio 4 so it has to be true. But EA will invest your money at a better return than 4% so I should just bugger off.

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    I sure hope that this doesn't turn out like this did.
    mw2-boycott-fail.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihkel View Post
    I sure hope that this doesn't turn out like this did.
    mw2-boycott-fail.jpg
    My money's on it happening just like that. Shit, if they were clever, they'd add the game's .exe manually and call it 'Duck Tales'.

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    Didn't we already have this thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mihkel View Post
    I sure hope that this doesn't turn out like this did.
    mw2-boycott-fail.jpg
    I hate that picture. I hate it because it's utterly misleading. That list is only 50 of 833 members in that group, a list sorted by who's currently online and playing a game, which means it's actually weighted towards showing the hypocrites over the hundreds of other members like me who in fact did not buy that piece of shit.

    But what I hate even more than that fact is the part where it's been used time and time again since that day, all over the web, as an excuse for the most base cynicism and the most baseless slander.

    It's a bad picture, it doesn't even say what you think it does, and all it does is allow you to hide behind false evidence to baselessly insult people.

    Stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Arcane View Post
    Didn't we already have this thread?



    I hate that picture. I hate it because it's utterly misleading. That list is only 50 of 833 members in that group, a list sorted by who's currently online and playing a game, which means it's actually weighted towards showing the hypocrites over the hundreds of other members like me who in fact did not buy that piece of shit.

    But what I hate even more than that fact is the part where it's been used time and time again since that day, all over the web, as an excuse for the most base cynicism and the most baseless slander.

    It's a bad picture, it doesn't even say what you think it does, and all it does is allow you to hide behind false evidence to baselessly insult people.

    Stop it.
    Take it easy dude, I didn't mean to insult anybody with that picture. I just remember the boycotting being largely a failure considering how popular MW2 was on Steam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihkel View Post
    Take it easy dude, I didn't mean to insult anybody with that picture. I just remember the boycotting being largely a failure considering how popular MW2 was on Steam.
    no. that pic was appropriate to post as it reminds us all that those boycotts are stupid and dont work.

    J Arcane. Good for you for sticking up to your word (if you participated in that group) but you are not correct about it being misleading. it is not weighted towards hypocrites but weighted towards people who were playing at the time of taking the picture.
    Also, you anger is unjust.

    back on topic.

    EA is doing what valve did 6 years ago. I blame them for doing it now not 6 years ago. I cannot blame them for preventing bf3 from steam.
    Like I don't blame Valve not selling HL on d2d or gg.

    the boycott is silly as it should be boycotting steam for not releasing HL series, TF2 etc on other platforms.

    franky. steam grew too big. one shop, one company even if it is valve, controlling market like it does is just not good. it does need its claws to be cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihkel View Post
    Take it easy dude, I didn't mean to insult anybody with that picture. I just remember the boycotting being largely a failure considering how popular MW2 was on Steam.
    I just hate this popular narrative of "Gamers are just whiny hypocrites" that's become endemic in the online culture. I apologize if I accused you of something beyond your intentions, but you have to admit that very narrative is what that particular piece of "evidence" is intended to support.

    The real truth of situations like MW2 isn't that gamers are all hypocrites or that boycotts are useless, it's rather the uglier truth that no one on sites like these ever wants to admit: We don't matter.

    For everyone of us forum savvy types who even know about the shadier crap that goes on in this industry, or cares enough even to rant about it on a message board, there's about a thousand others who just don't give a fuck and don't even find out about any of these dick moves until they've already bought the product.

    It's those people who keep the publishers in business despite them being consistently one of the most consumer hostile industries there is, so much so that even though Steam is in many ways everything gamers like us complain about, they get mad love just for not taking advantage of that fact as evilly as everyone else does.

    And that's pretty much never not going to be the case. There will always be a much larger silent majority that doesn't give a fuck than the entire body of internet forums, Facebook groups, boycott communities, etc. etc. put together. It doesn't mean gamers are hypocrites, it means that there are more people out there who simply don't know there's anything to be hypocritical about in the first place.

    But for some of us, it's enough to know that at least we didn't put the cash in their pockets that encourages this kind of behavior, and every now and then, enough of us make enough noise that they actually do listen out of concern for how it might affect their image or whether there's more silent disenfranchised that aren't speaking up.

    And that's pretty much the best you can hope for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Arcane View Post
    I just hate this popular narrative of "Gamers are just whiny hypocrites" that's become endemic in the online culture. I apologize if I accused you of something beyond your intentions, but you have to admit that very narrative is what that particular piece of "evidence" is intended to support.
    Hypocrisy is not saying one thing and then doing another. Hypocrisy is saying other people should not do something and then doing it yourself. I'm sure some people on that Steam group went out and told other people not to buy the game then bought it themselves. They are hypocrites. But I imagine the majority of them joined the group purely to express their annoyance with the lack of dedicated servers and to express their intention to not buy the product. Then they changed their mind.

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    Everyone who joins the boycott will buy the game if it is good, just like everyone always does. I remember in 2004 everyone's outrage at Half-Life 2 forcing users to install steam. Oh, look it's 2011 and everyone loves it. This is the reason my steamid is a six digit, I played on WON until I was forced to move over. Steam's service early on was poor, but over time it became amazing and I'm glad I was forced to switch over. A little competition never hurt anyone.

    Also the purpose of the pre-order from the perspective of EA is to project expected sales, build appropriate server infrastructure before hand, and to test the transaction systems. From the perspective of the user the purpose is to secure early access beta invites. It is a win win.

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    I'm preordering from Amazon. If I can't get something on Steam, I look elsewhere for a copy, either DD or physical. I don't piss and moan and boycott it. Not being on Steam is not the be-all-and-end-all, and nor is having to use origin. It's exactly the same way you were forced to use Steam back in the olden days. It's going to happen, whether you boycott it or not.
    Last edited by Teddy Leach; 21-07-2011 at 08:35 PM.

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    Bees against honey.

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    But ... I already have Origin installed.

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