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    I think TDKR was about having a bit of fun following the lumbering po-faced beast of TDK. I enjoyed it more than TDK but I don't want to see it again because none of his movies holds up at a second viewing.

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    You're probably right, but I expect better of Nolan, I mean, the ending of Inception was brilliant precisely because it left viewers to come to their own conclusions and didn't feel the need to spell things out for its audience.
    After the movie spelled (spelt?) out everything for its audience, the ending indeed seemed brilliant and not a lame punch in the gut.

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    We could have seen what happened with the 'Kangaroo courts' and how the people of Gotham would try and rule themselves
    You saw a few kangoaroo court scenes and you didn't really need to see much else because you could imply from that one scene what was happening with that specific area.

    If anything the people are portrayed quite poorly. We see them looting mansions with Catwoman
    I think the difference with Dark Knight and Rises concerning the people is that they thought in Dark Knight that order could be resolved but in Rises Batman was gone and the two heroes were been shown to be lies which means they didn't have any clue that order would be restored meaning that they were scared for their lives plus it kind of goes with the right-wingish bent of the film being about how the rich and poor divide will make people not care about the rich.

    The military will not allow a bus of orphaned children to leave the city
    Thats because they still thought the rule of if anyone comes out Bane will nuke the city was in place I think you wouldn't either in that situation.

    The prisoners readily join Bane's army
    He got them out you would be friendly as well and to be honest I don't think Bane had an army at that point he was kind of just letting people loose really and they would obviously fight Batman at the end because they don't want to be put back in jail again.

    I think it shows very much Batman being grounded actually using people instead of being on his own, in Dark Knight he wouldn;t have tried to even use the 500 police officers he would have tried it himself but this time he does because he has shown the errors of his previous ways and its shown in the film that he must fight as a symbol to not protect the city himself but to have the city protect itself.

    I think this film has a great theme.

    Also that ending you could argue it could be seen in a different way and really the theme had already ended anyway so I didn't think it mattered to much that you had that coda. I'm guessing that Nolan probably did want to go more ambigious but maybe some other people would be afraid that might have gotten a backlash or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xercies View Post
    You saw a few kangoaroo court scenes and you didn't really need to see much else because you could imply from that one scene what was happening with that specific area.
    Not really, we just see Scarecrow having some fun. There was scope for so much more. Don't you think it would have been really cool if the people of Gotham were asked to decide the fate of individuals? Would they succumb to allegedly populist opinion and execute commisioner Gordon for his role in the Dent Act? Would they stand up to Bane and free him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xercies View Post
    Thats because they still thought the rule of if anyone comes out Bane will nuke the city was in place I think you wouldn't either in that situation.
    At this stage a mass gunfight has broken out in the city centre and there is a Bat-copter unleashing rockets all over the place. I think the military could have assumed that all bets were off and a detonation was imminent.


    Quote Originally Posted by Xercies View Post
    He got them out you would be friendly as well and to be honest I don't think Bane had an army at that point he was kind of just letting people loose really and they would obviously fight Batman at the end because they don't want to be put back in jail again.
    But you would expect the two boats in the Dark Knight to blow each other up. The detonator is in the hands of a prisoner and he chooses to throw it out the window, he saves the very people who have convicted him. In Batman Begins we even have some sympathy for the killer of Bruce's parents and the general criminal 'underclass'. These people are desperate and coerced, wedged between a recession and organised crime. We get the sense that they are redeemable. But in Rises they walk straight out of jail and accept assault weapons from strangers? This is supposed to be 'Gotham Rising'?

    Thanks for the response, it's nice to have some dialogue about this film. I enjoyed it but I feel that Nolan missed a few open goals.

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    2012 has been an excellent year for films, featuring many outstanding releases. If I have to choose just one though, I'd probably pick Argo. It's a very simplistic film without any breathtaking special effects or complex plot elements, but it has a great sense of pacing and some absolutely stellar performances by the actors. I can forgive the few historical inaccuracies, seeing how they mostly served to heighten the tension. And Ben Affleck, despite his somewhat questionable record, is a genuinely talented director.

    Honourable mentions go to Brave for being the best animated film of the year, Paperman for being the best short film, The Hobbit for turning out a lot better than I expected and Killing Them Softly for the best use of licensed music.

    Dishonourable mention goes to Foodfight, for being the worst film I've seen. Not just this year, but any year.

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    Avengers,looper,batman and many others are overrated --> .

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    I saw Looper and though it was the definition of pretentious. I didn't see what it was trying to say. Nice performances, nice effect, but the story is just a big setup and no payoff.

    Cloud Atlas I though it was really amazing. Everything worked well together, brilliant makeup and editing, and some great acting from guys I had dismissed like Hugh Grant.

    YMMV, of course.
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    I quite enjoyed The Grey . One of the better films this year I feel and I hope Liam Neeson gets an Oscar nod for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadayi View Post
    I quite enjoyed The Grey . One of the better films this year I feel and I hope Liam Neeson gets an Oscar nod for it.

    The one with wolfs right ? Superb movie,this year i also loved The Hunter and Shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKicksalot View Post
    I think TDKR was about having a bit of fun following the lumbering po-faced beast of TDK. I enjoyed it more than TDK but I don't want to see it again because none of his movies holds up at a second viewing.
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    Cloud Atlas I though it was really amazing. Everything worked well together, brilliant makeup and editing, and some great acting from guys I had dismissed like Hugh Grant.
    Wait what? There's a Cloud Atlas film? If that lives up to the book it would be bloody brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somini View Post
    I saw Looper and though it was the definition of pretentious.
    http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Me...?trkid=2361637

    You haven't seen enough movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabrage View Post
    That link goes nowhere for me. Maybe it's for the best?
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    Metropolitan is akin to a hermetically sealed room slowly getting pumped full of haute farts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabrage View Post
    Metropolitan is akin to a hermetically sealed room slowly getting pumped full of haute farts.
    Someone said

    Although Metropolitan's production values are nothing to write home about, at least it enjoyed the distinction of perhaps the most awful acting ever. Someone should have told Stillman that a film so dependent on its carefully crafted dialogue might also depend on the performance of said dialogue. If only it had been a short story, I might have enjoyed the read.
    Once upon a time, while reviewing a director's reel, an agency creative laughingly remarked, "My God, it's like porno dialogue!" Metropolitan seemed to go out of its way to prove that bad delivery needs no nudity to make it to the screen. Such stilted performances could only come from one of two places: the actors' first time in front of a camera, or incredibly bad direction. Metropolitan must have had both ingredients.

    Looks awful.
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    Makes Looper look like Time Bandits.

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    Metropolitan is a satire of pretentious assholes, not a glorification. The director isn't really intending that you cheer any of those people on, or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Carlo View Post
    Metropolitan is a satire of pretentious assholes, not a glorification. The director isn't really intending that you cheer any of those people on, or anything.
    Poe's Law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by somini View Post
    Poe's Law?
    LOL

    Perhaps.

    I won't defend "Metropolitan" too strongly as I don't love that movie or anything. I do really like "The Last Days of Disco" by that same director, though, and it's more of an outright comedy. So you might like that one even if you hate "Metropolitan."

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    But you would expect the two boats in the Dark Knight to blow each other up. The detonator is in the hands of a prisoner and he chooses to throw it out the window, he saves the very people who have convicted him.


    I thnk the difference is many, the prisoners on the boat are more normal prisoners the prisoners in Dents prison are the mafia type people he wanted to get rid of in the other movies also it had Scarcrow in there so I'm guessing it had the really dangerous prisoners as well the ones that made terror throughout Gotham.

    Also in Knight there is the Joker only really threatening them and they kind of know he is crazy so even if they detonated the boat they weren't really sure they would be guaranteed safety.

    There was scope for so much more. Don't you think it would have been really cool if the people of Gotham were asked to decide the fate of individuals? Would they succumb to allegedly populist opinion and execute commisioner Gordon for his role in the Dent Act? Would they stand up to Bane and free him?


    Thats all well in good but really Bane had hiself an army of nutjobs, prisoners running wild in the street, anarchy because people decided that they would use this opportunity to get back at the rich or just do random violence. Do you really think someone will see all that and go up to the kangaroo courts and say 2um, I think your being a bit harsh to them" no they would probably get the same treatment or worse.

    We see the ordinary citizen in I think when Levitts character goes around the town and sure enough they are more likely to be hiding in there houses praying to god that the mob doesn't come to them then really fighting back because there is chaos a lot more choas then there was in Knight because that again was just the Joker.

    This is supposed to be 'Gotham Rising'?


    The Gotham rises I think is more in the police officers, blakes and gordans chracter and maybe catwomans, we don't see much of Batman it really is focusing on the other characters which people did find a bit weird but thematically makes sense, also when Batman is present he is very grounded unlike in the previous two movies where he tries to do it all by himself he is actually listening and leading other people which is also a difference. Even in the movie it makes it clear, in the first half he tries to do his usual batman self and take it on himself but he gets beaten and he realises no he must be a symbol for these peoples rise not the rise for himself.

    At this stage a mass gunfight has broken out in the city centre and there is a Bat-copter unleashing rockets all over the place. I think the military could have assumed that all bets were off and a detonation was imminent.


    I don't know I don't think the military had any insiders or media so they had no clue what was going on that might of heard stuff but it could have been people blowing rich peoples houses instead of looting them by then so yeah they assumed nothing and went on with it because of a nuke. Nuke or a chance that you may be right I think i would play it safe.

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    I have found this to be a year of not bad but slightly disappointing movies. I wonder if it's a sign of getting old, but movies that might previously have had me raving about them all seemed a little too similar to things I'd seen before. Action movies and superhero movies in particular are tending to all blur into one. (maybe they always did, but when i was young i'd have been much more focused on the small differences and argued about it).

    Of the ones i remember:

    Great:

    Drive - I think this was my favorite movie of the year, and that might be partly because i went in with few expectations. Awesome music ans style too.

    Cabin in the woods - I love joss whedon, but his movies have usually been flawed. This year he finally got it right. A great movie that delivered on most of it's promises and was just a great fun ride. I really wish I could have gone in totally cold, but I guess that would have been impossible. Even so, at least i saw it before the japanese trailer gave away the entire story in detail.

    Good:

    The Hobbit - Maybe just because it's fresh, but it was really nice to go back to middle earth. Not as good as LOTR, but reasonably close and that's good enough.

    The Avengers - It was a fun adventure with good lines. Nothing more and nothing less. BUt after waiting until september for it i was a little underwhelmed at the time.

    Skyfall - again pretty great, but after all the hype about the performances and drama, I found those elements a little underwhelming. Poor non-present villain and flawed ending, but the rest was good.

    The Raid - great simple classic action movie, very tightly made.

    Other:

    Dark Knight rises was a disappointment. It just felt like they kept padding it out with more and more unnecessary points. I think the core was pretty good, but they could have cut out 30 mins and made it much tighter.

    Other than that, many interesting movies don't get a release over here. sigh.

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