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    From Dust UbiDRM???

    Just read the preorder page for From Dust on gamersgate, it's got a great price but soon enough my eyes were drawn to this:

    HIGH SPEED INTERNET ACCESS AND CREATION OF A UBISOFT ACCOUNT ARE REQUIRED TO ACCESS THIS VIDEO GAME AND ONLINE FEATURES AND TO PLAY ONLINE. YOU MUST BE AT LEAST 13 TO CREATE A UBISOFT ACCOUNT WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT. UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO ONE OR MORE SPECIFIC ONLINE FEATURES UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT http://www.fromdustgame.com/ .


    This reads the same as Assassins Creed 2. So could this be the return of Ubisoft's incredibly misguided attempt at drm?



    Well I guess I'm going to have to hold my wallet to find out what is going on. Such a pity as I wanted to support this game as not many god games are made anymore.

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    Ubisoft's standard DRM scheme these days has you log in to a Ubisoft server when you launch the game. They use their service to sync save games and track achievements. You do need to be online to launch the game, but once in the game if your connection goes down you can keep playing. All Ubisoft games these days have it. It's not great, but it's not the super-terrible system Ubi started out with.

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    Yeah, the wording used to be 'Permanent high speed internet access', which was what the DRMpocalypse was about when they first announced it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airtekh View Post
    Yeah, the wording used to be 'Permanent high speed internet access', which was what the DRMpocalypse was about when they first announced it.
    its 'DRMageddon'.

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    Don't they understand that they just dicourage people to buy their games with such an DRM. I'm sure more people would buy their products if they were DRM free.

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    I think this refers to the activation at start of play DRM, rather than the more frustrating "always-on" which Ubi claim to have dropped.

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    Uch, this is the lesser of two evils, where the lesser evil is still pretty grim. I was rather interested in the game, but I'm not a big fan of having to be online at the start of every session.
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    No, you dont need to be online at the start of every session. You only need to be online once to activate. AC:Brotherhood had the same system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    No, you dont need to be online at the start of every session. You only need to be online once to activate. AC:Brotherhood had the same system.
    Do you have any source on this? While I'm hoping you are correct* (and indeed suspect you are) its something I'd like to see confirmed.

    * About From Dust I mean, I know you are correct about AC:Brotherhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesG View Post
    Do you have any source on this? While I'm hoping you are correct* (and indeed suspect you are) its something I'd like to see confirmed.

    * About From Dust I mean, I know you are correct about AC:Brotherhood.
    Do you honestly think they're going to tighten up the DRM again? This is now the standard "UBI DRM". I doubt theyll put even more money into that fiasco they had a year ago.
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    This game was: Day one purchase.
    This game now is: Day one piracy.

    Good job, Ubisoft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R-F View Post
    This game was: Day one purchase.
    This game now is: Day one piracy.

    Good job, Ubisoft.
    *sigh*

    This was a day one purchase.
    Now it's a day 200 sale purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexing Vision View Post
    *sigh*

    This was a day one purchase.
    Now it's a day 200 sale purchase.
    ..for what reason exactly? You knew it was UbiSoft, so it was bound to have DRM. If it's DRM similar to steams, what's your problem exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    ..for what reason exactly? You knew it was UbiSoft, so it was bound to have DRM. If it's DRM similar to steams, what's your problem exactly?
    I like Ubisoft's DRM for RUSE. I don't support Ubisoft's other DRM madness.

    I'll grudgingly use Steam because it offers some fancy other features, such as a pretty good community overlay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    ..for what reason exactly? You knew it was UbiSoft, so it was bound to have DRM. If it's DRM similar to steams, what's your problem exactly?
    Whom would you rather trust, Valve or Ubisoft? I wouldn't trust Ubisoft with anything, certainly not my license to a game. If in a year they decide to finally scrap the pathetic system then I wouldn't trust that they would actually patch any of their previous games so we could actually install it, they don't exactly have a good track record for supporting games older than 6 months.

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    Well they haven't disabled it on a number of games still, and last time they were asked if this was the end of UbiDRM they refused to say yes and instead said they were considering it on a case by case basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deano2099 View Post
    Well they haven't disabled it on a number of games still, and last time they were asked if this was the end of UbiDRM they refused to say yes and instead said they were considering it on a case by case basis.
    Not disabling it is not the same as building it into a new title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaCat View Post
    Not disabling it is not the same as building it into a new title.
    No they're considering it on a case-by-case basis for new games too as far as I can tell. Even after they started patching it out, they stated that it might still be used in new titles: http://www.shacknews.com/article/670...onger-requires

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    Quote Originally Posted by deano2099 View Post
    No they're considering it on a case-by-case basis for new games too as far as I can tell. Even after they started patching it out, they stated that it might still be used in new titles: http://www.shacknews.com/article/670...onger-requires
    Deano, that's lawyer speak at work. You never make a statement that could be used against you in future (George Bush Seniors 'No more Taxes' being the classic example). However as Quanta rightly points out the whole always on DRM with AC2 was such a huge PR pain in the arse that Ubi are highly unlikely to ever go down that road again. AC:B didn't have it and that sold extremely well on PC. There is little if any incentive for Ubi to court further controversy again.


    Quote Originally Posted by R-F View Post
    This game was: Day one purchase.
    This game now is: Day one piracy.

    Good job, Ubisoft.

    Do you ever read anything beyond the first post?


    Quote Originally Posted by Heliocentric View Post
    Well done Dust, you were a £5 purchase, you are still a £5 purchase but now all the comments threads about the game will have 25% DRM bitching.
    25% BS DRM at that.

    The whole 'always online' aspect was completely overplayed at the time anyway. Because of the DRM I didn't buy AC2 straight away, however when it hit half price I snapped it up because I wanted to see how well Venice had been realized and truth be told I didn't encounter one problem whatsoever playing it (an extremely polished title it has to be said). That there are people even now who despite the fact that 'always online' element has been removed still refuse to buy it, is bemusing really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadayi View Post
    Do you ever read anything beyond the first post?
    What the hell are you even talking about?

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