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    New PC (warning: overkill specs ;)

    As I'm now finished upgrading my old computer, it's time to look into the (far) future.
    I've got quite a lot of money saved, but don't mind waiting a bit for it to drop in price. As you might notice on the components below, I like to be up to date and am willing to spent quite a bit.

    In no paticular order (well, in the order Tweakers.net puts it in my wishlist):

    Soundcard: Asus Xonar D2
    HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX, 2 TB
    Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster B2430HD, 24"
    DVD-writer: Samsung SH-S223C black
    OS: MS Windows 7 Home
    Case: Silverstone Fortress FT02S
    Speakers: Creative Inspire T6160
    CPU cooling: Thermaltake Frio
    CPU: Intel Core i7 2600K
    PSU: Cooler master silent pro gold 1000W
    SSD: OCZ RevoDrive X2 PCI-E SSD 240 GB
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9, 8 GB DDR3-1866
    Cardreader: HP 22-in-1 black
    GPU: Gigabyte GV-N580D5-15I-B, 1,5 GB GeForce 580
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3


    So, now my burning questions:

    1) Is this stuff compatible?
    2) Am I neglecting certain areas big time?
    3) I'm currently missing the keyboard/mouse/headset. Any recommendations? (Really don't have much of a clue in all three)
    4) I'm on the fence whether or not to go for 2 GPU's.
    4a) Is it worth it?
    4b) What about heat?
    4c) Is it something I can be bothered with later on (for example in 2013?)
    5) How easy/hard is it to built this PC myself?
    6) Did I miss something?


    Many many thanks in advantage for your answers!
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    As mentioned in this thread and This article, the i7 is currently an ineffective way to spend your money. The i5-2500k will do all you want and give you the money to spend elsewhere.

    I notice you have a 3rd party cooler for the CPU specced. What is this for? Only bother with one of these if you plan to either overclock or make a quiet PC (I'd say a bit of money for quiet was well spent). For either of these you're going to need to do your research, look up specialist review sites and forums, see what actually does the job for a good price.

    The graphics card you picked again gets a bit of a bashing for being not enough bang for your buck, but perhaps isn't quite as clear cut as the processor. I've not ever bothered with multi-GPU solutions myself, on the grounds that A: people I know have found them a bucket load of difficulty, admittedly a few years ago and B: loads of games don't actually benefit - this includes real resource hogs like Crysis (1) and I think The Witcher 2 when they launched, although I believe both later supported it.

    You'll find RPS's opinions on 24" monitors here and their opinions on nice headsets here

    If you could handle the upgrade process we went through before, then you shouldn't have any trouble building this beast. At the end of the day, building a PC is just pushing stuff into the matching slots, then spending the rest of the day downloading drivers from the net.

    With all the money you're spending W7 Pro might be advisable.

    I like Logitech mice, but mouse preferences tend to cause something of a holy war. I currently run an MX600 and like it, although wireless range is dissapointing - the new MX705 looks nice, and like a solid remake of my old love the MX700 (mine eventually got old and unreliable after many years). I've either broken or been disappointed by a long string of keyboards, varying between cheap and fairly pricey. The zboard and saitek being the most dissapointing, the OCZ Elixir 2 being the least bad "cheap" keyboard that I smashed through 2 or 3 of, and my current Razer Lycosa being the only one that's never let me down while gaming, but feels ridiculous overpriced for the construction quality and stupid aesthetic decisions.

    Also, any specific parts advice will be out of date in a few months time. But stuff like Tom's Hardware's best for the money charts. PC Pro's A List and speciality review sites keep current.

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    As Cmaster says a 2500K and a 2600K aren't very distinguishable for gaming so go for the 2500K. Do go for a custom cooler. I have the stock one and only 2 weeks into its life it is due for the chop. Not the loudest thing is the world but the noise it makes is peculiarly annoying.

    Graphics wise it is usually best to go for the best single card you can afford given performance scaling in SLi varies hugely from game to game. It is often an attractive upgrade option and as your mobo supports it, it would always be an option in the future. Though I hate to think of the cooling required for two 580s. Also gaming at 1920x1080 shouldn't really push a 580 at all and will be future proof for a good few years yet. My 6870 pretty much handles anything at high at that res and is much lowlier GPU.

    As for mice there are good and bad ones but if you can go somewhere to try them I really would. What suits you will depend on the size of your hands, the way you hold it etc. For example I love my Deathadder and find it incredibly comfortable. My girlfriend on the other hand can barely grip it and hates using it.

    Finally that PSU is massive overkill I'd have thought. Even a system with 580 in will struggle to pull 500w under load so I'd have thought a good 600w PSU would be plenty. A 1000w is more what you'd need for two of them.
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    CMaster and Comrade Penguin have the right suggestions. I'm only here because I realize they are saving you some cash. Which means you'll have extra. Cash.

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    5) not difficult, most things only fit in one place, as always there are some pretty good tutorials available on the internet, but they are largely unnecessary, I think the hardest part is always hooking up the case usb ports to the mobo if the case has individual pins instead of a connector, same for case power and reset, but that is really just fine motor control and looking at a picture on the motherboard and case instruction books.
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    I'd look at Logitech speakers before Creative's. Might even consider tossing the Xonar board if money is an issue. Unless you're an audiophile and/or doing audio work, embedded audio is more than adequate for gaming and listening to music. Where you're going to hear the difference is in the speakers, which is where I'd focus more money and get some good ones.

    I just (personally) hate tinny cheap speakers, and since I don't have a home stereo, my PC is the source of my music listening. I'm very happy with the Z5500's I bought six years ago. They weren't cheap, but they were worth every cent (not necessarily suggesting them, there's probably better ones/more affordable out by now).
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    I would just mention that for one GPU, a 1000W PSU is overkill. On the order of 300-400 W worth of overkill. If you're considering moving to two GPUs, you should still be OK with ~800 W, unless the GTX 580 is a dual-chip card, and I don't think it is.

    Off the top of my head, anyway. If you knock down the wattage on the PSU, you should be able to save a decent wad of cash.

    Quote Originally Posted by kablooie
    I'd look at Logitech speakers before Creative's.
    As a counterpoint to that, I've had no real problems with my Creatives. I got a set of Gigaworks T20s in late 2007, and the only problem I have had thus far is that it crackles a bit when I move the volume knob. My recommendation would be that you do your research on speakers. If you found a good set, go for it.
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    Thank you all for the recommendations, highly appreciated!

    - Regarding the coolers: I think I might change the Frio for a Thermalflake Silver Arrow or H2 (esp. the H2 is rumored to be really quiet)
    - I'll switch the 2600k for the 2500k (though still have to take a good look at both)
    - I'll change the 1000W for a 800W PSU. Still overkill, but less so ;)
    - Regarding the speaker set: I currently have Logitechs, and I'm really not satisfied with them. Sure, they'll give nice enough sound for games, but when listening to music (I do that sometimes on my PC, I know....) the whole mid-section just ISN'T THERE! Only tweets and base. Though I realise that I haven't really looked into the Creative ones yet. To be continued.
    - I won't be getting a 2nd GPU, at least not the coming years. And considering my previous PC, I think this one will also last at least 5 years, maybe even longer.
    - I'll be looking in more detail at the mice, keyboards and headsets. And reconsider the 24" monitor if needed.

    Thanks again all of you!
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    Re: PSU

    I actually did some looking around. Here are some benchmarks for the 580 and 580 SLI. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/305?vs=308
    If you scroll to the bottom, you should see some items listed Load Power Consumption (Crysis) and Load Power Consumption (Furmark). These numbers are for the entire system, not just the GPU. I'm not sure what their test systems were, but they would be fairly high-end to match the GPUs.

    Turns out the 580 actually sucks more juice than I thought it would. Load under Crysis is just under 400W for a single 580, and just over 600W for two. Crysis is going to be similar/close to what kind of actual loads you would get while running games. In Furmark, you're looking at 500W and 850W, respectively. Furmark, I should note, is specifically designed to bring the GPU to 100% load, IIRC. In normal use (including gaming), you should never get anywhere near as high as the Furmark numbers. Also, don't run Furmark. They probably fixed it, but it used to be capable of burning out your hardware.

    So, shorter version: I was mostly correct. For a single GTX 580, the most power you are likely to suck down (short of installing 15 hard drives) is 400-500W. So you should be fine with 800W. However, when you add in a second GTX 580, you could technically break the 800W barrier, though you would be unlikely to. Still, 620W is closer to max than I would personally like.

    Short version: If you are never going to add a second GTX 580, 800W is fine. If you are considering eventually adding in a second card, I would actually recommend bumping it back up to 1000W, just to be on the safe side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkNoghri View Post
    Short version: If you are never going to add a second GTX 580, 800W is fine. If you are considering eventually adding in a second card, I would actually recommend bumping it back up to 1000W, just to be on the safe side.
    From what I have read over the years, a good brand PSU will handle quite a bit over its nominal wattage, so 800W should be more than enough.

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    This thing is, for want of a better word, a fucking beast. I commend you sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olero View Post
    Thank you all for the recommendations, highly appreciated!

    - Regarding the speaker set: I currently have Logitechs, and I'm really not satisfied with them. Sure, they'll give nice enough sound for games, but when listening to music (I do that sometimes on my PC, I know....) the whole mid-section just ISN'T THERE! Only tweets and base. Though I realise that I haven't really looked into the Creative ones yet. To be continued
    My point wasn't really pushing Logitech over Creative, there might be better Creative speakers, depending on the price range and model (there wasn't when last I looked, but that may have changed).

    My point was marrying a sound board to cheap speakers. The board is unnecessary, but if you're going for good audio, something that is often overlooked when buying a new PC, then get some good speakers. They are definitely a "you get what you pay for" item.

    Happy spec'ing!

    btw: is that case model the Tower or Mid-Tower? Can't tell . . . .
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    Thanks for the explanation Kablooie, and it's something to consider when looking for a new set of speakers. My current on-board audio is pretty bad, so hence the new soundcard, but perhaps newer motherboards have better on-board audio. Going to look into it anyway.

    The case is a Tower case by the way

    @ Duff: Sure is a fucking beast. Mind you, a fucking theoretical beast at the moment ;)
    Last edited by Olero; 29-07-2011 at 02:09 PM.
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    Middle of the road specs on many hardware enthusiast sites. ;)

    Check out this thread for a REAL gaming beast; http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1588587

    Most of the guys above gave you pretty sound advice, all I can do is echo their opinions.

    Also, great choice of case. I personally own the black version of an FT02, absolutely fantastic case.

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