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    < I can vouch for GentlemanCorpse! He's a delightful gent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanCorpse View Post
    Hello mentlegen!
    I am a civalrous individual, and I am simply thrilled to have finally found this server! A call to ScottJ10, as you finally showed me where to go! I am in your debt!
    Which, I am sad to say, I will not be paying back in sexual favors.
    Sorry!
    Anyway, I would be honored if I could be permitted to build on the server, as I love how creative this community has been with their constructions! Everything I have laid my semi-living eyes upon looks lovely! I would be glad to contribute to this wondrous community, so please, do let me know whether or not I can be accepted!

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    Just leaving this here for everyone who still doesn't know it.

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    Hey folks! I put together a little gallery of images of stuff I've built in Minecraft and posted it on the site I run : Nitrobeard. Most of the stuff is on the uRPS server so I figured I'd share!

    Just click the image or the link in the text to see the gallery. [ http://www.nitrobeard.com/home/2011/...minecraft.html ]

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    The Server's down :(

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    Grrr yes, and it was going to be my hour of treat to myself for being a good boy and working most of the day.
    Instead I shall have to clean the darned flat :(

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    My attempt to force a restart failed. I see two possibilities: Elt or Jon stopped the server in order to tinker with it and just didn't post a warning in-thread first, or there's a problem with the server. I will wait until after the next scheduled restart. If it doesn't restart as normal, I'll try a stop/start on it instead. Generally not something we want to do unless it's for updating purposes, but if this is the server misbehaving not much choice.

    Edit:
    Ok, failed. It isn't responding at all to me. Going to have to wait until Jonbas or Eltagno can fiddle with it. :-/
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    I'll use the opportunity to publicly vote for a map restart after the adventure update.
    I would love a fresh map with all the new stuff in it, because I'm afraid that we will miss out on A LOT if we don't start from scratch after it.

    Just check out this picture of Notch showing us the rivers that will be included in the new game!
    http://i.imgur.com/6MeBH.jpg
    That landscape is magnificient!
    Imagine how awesome it would be to have a new map with rivers, ocean biomes, islands in those oceans, mountain biomes and the new land generating that makes landscapes look so much cooler!

    I know you guys have put quite some effort into the stuff on this server, but so did I. I'd say we could vote to let everyone bring over ONE of his buildings/towns, so that the damage isn't that big.
    I'd also say that it should be possible to bring one's inventory with him/her to the new map.

    I would be okay with that, as there is no way that I would want to miss out on all that great stuff that is coming with the adventure update.

    What do you think?
    I wouldn't want to start from complete scratch with no equipment at all, too. But I think bringing over one town and an inventory full of stuff should be a reasonable compromise.
    Once again:
    Imagine the landscapes you could build on!

    Tell me what you think.

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    You could of course download the most recent version of our world and have it as a SP world to show off to friends or whatever.

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    Woah, that river looks great. Also looks like some texture tinkering too.

    As much as it would suck to lose what we've done so far, and I say that as a relative newcomer, I'd be all for a map reset. My only issue with that is, by saying we'll do one, how many people will still be enthuthiastic to play knowing their work will essentially be wiped? If there is a map to download though, that would be very cool. Nice to tinker with on failing internet days.

    Keeping inventory seems fair aswell. To what extent though - with plugins, how will things be stacked? And so on and so forth. Essentially, I like the idea and I'm already forming in my head what things I will save. THINK OF ALL THE PINE!
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    I'd be up for a map reset, would be fun to build a town from scratch again.

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    I've seen a multi-world plugin where you can have multiple worlds running on the same server, so maybe we have a 1.8 world, and a pre-1.8 world with all of our stuff on it.
    EDIT: http://lpminecraft.com/forums/showwi...oks:MultiVerse Here's stuff about it.
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    I fail to see what an entirely new map brings in terms of building that you can't do now by just heading off into the wilderness.
    I also think placing limits on what could or could not be brought over into the new map is ridiculous, you are presenting a false compromise. And to say it would be sad that you start with no inventory would be sad is, IMO, hypocritical as surely that is the point of starting again in a (slightly?) new game mode. Either you go the whole hog in wanting the new world, and play accordingly, or you don't.

    Personallly I'm not in favour of a map reset, however, I do agree there would be things we miss. Possible solutions would be deleting large swathes of the map (basically the unused areas) to let the new code fill it in, or porting of areas. I for one might as well just give up on the server if I lose any of my work. Losing the inventory bothers me a great deal less than the areas I have spent many many hours on.

    I also think large-scale wiping of other people's areas shows a distinct lack of respect to the work and people who made the server early on.

    So, overall, what am I thinking?

    I am not sure how easy it is to identify and remove unused or minimally used chunks, but am concerned it would leave us with a patch-work effect which gives us the best of neither the old nor the new.
    Copying over of areas (and in this case personally I am thinking of the entirety of Mammalia, anything less makes it essentially pointless, but it still only represents around 6-7% of the entire map) is a possibility, and we could for example make early public and private projects include resculpting the landscape around where they merge to remove harsh chunk boundaries*.
    Inventory copying over might as well, as if you bring the towns they'll certainly contain chests and I see no reason to again, deprive people of their spoils from many hours of game play.

    * Suggestion! How about this? When the new update comes along, admin generates an entirely new map using the new system. This is available to download in SP, so people can scout it out. We then organise a 2D map of it, and people can vote / plead for what they want copied over, AND WHERE (important that!). Then in world edit / MC edit or whatever, we merge the files, followed by using sculpting tools in said program to blend edges, and shift it over to the main server map. That way we do indeed get the best of both worlds.

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    Just to add, it would mean a certain delay before we update wholesale, but my other idea was we simply shift the current map 4 km in one direction, and allow an equal sized area for the new chunk generation. Problem? We now have 1.6gb of backup data :/ I think the currently 8x8km area is more than big enough to accomodate our old favourite locations in the new map, leaving plenty of the new adventure stuff available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbster View Post
    * Suggestion! How about this? When the new update comes along, admin generates an entirely new map using the new system. This is available to download in SP, so people can scout it out. We then organise a 2D map of it, and people can vote / plead for what they want copied over, AND WHERE (important that!). Then in world edit / MC edit or whatever, we merge the files, followed by using sculpting tools in said program to blend edges, and shift it over to the main server map. That way we do indeed get the best of both worlds.
    That is, I agree, the best "solution" to this dilemma - I'd love to explore the entirely new stuff, but at the same time, I dont wanna lose my precious (albeit, retardedly ugly) builds.

    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanCorpse View Post
    Hello mentlegen!
    I am a civalrous individual, and I am simply thrilled to have finally found this server! A call to ScottJ10, as you finally showed me where to go! I am in your debt!
    Which, I am sad to say, I will not be paying back in sexual favors.
    Sorry!
    Anyway, I would be honored if I could be permitted to build on the server, as I love how creative this community has been with their constructions! Everything I have laid my semi-living eyes upon looks lovely! I would be glad to contribute to this wondrous community, so please, do let me know whether or not I can be accepted!

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    I'd vouch for you based on that genius application. You sir, are the coolest Gentleman-corpse... Gentle-zombie? I've ever met.
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    I definitely think it requires a lot of fore-thought. There are issues with the ideas for and against, but I don't want to get into that because it's not really relevant based on the following: I support your suggestion. Keep the work people have done, if they want to, while getting the best of the new. I would be perfectly happy with this and am in full support of it.

    Also, I'll bite. GentlemanCorpse's application is fantastic.
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    Ugh, this had to pop up on my short lunch break... XD

    I'm sorry but I'm vetoing starting a new map just for beta 1.8, unless Jonbas and Eltagno overrule me. The current thinking is perhaps after the game goes full retail, then it might be appropriate to start completely fresh (including inventory). As beta 1.8 is still... well... BETA, I do feel it would be inappropriate right now given the usual history of updates sometimes being disasterific.

    Jonbas had floated the idea of nerfing unused chunks and regen'ing them a while back, but he didn't elaborate. He may have had a means in mind to identify and do that. However, there's a reason you only see the Clocktower from the old MtotheThird uRPS map: It was going to be a lot of work to port things. I imagine there may be similar difficulties nerfing chunks without accidentally nerfing peoples' projs. I think extending the map borders is a viable option, though the edges between pre- and post-1.8 will be a bit screwy.

    As for a separate server, that's additional money needed to host both, not to mention time to keep them both functioning and moderated. While selecting additional moderators wouldn't be too hard, is the community willing to step up donations (and no, pay-to-play is NOT something I'd be comfortable with)? Is there even the digital foot traffic to justify having two uRPS servers? I feel the answer to the first question is yes, but the second would be no. Moreover, I wouldn't want Jon and Elt in the position of having the additional hassle on the coding side of things.



    There are a LOT of players who have work on the current map that have never posted in this or either of the earlier two uRPS threads, and I mean active players. Their voices wouldn't be heard in any kind of vote. That wouldn't fair to them. The fairest we can be is A) aiming for full retail reset, map and inventory, or B) expanding the existing map. I'm fine with either, but a new map just for beta 1.8 is not appropriate. We were forced into a new map for the Halloween Update because that server died and its admin vanished, else we'd possibly still be using that map even now. Thurzday started this map on his home computer to hold us over until something could be done (and it was in very short order, Jonbas got us hosted on an HGS server) using that update, so we just went with it.

    I might have further thoughts later, but I need to get back to work.

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    Easy there, Gerb!
    Don't take this as an insult to your building skills or the time you have invested to build Mammalia! I was just presenting an idea of mine, no need to judge so harsh and calling it madness. I am one of the members who have been building on this server from day one, when Thurzday started the new map. I am very associated with my buildings on this server, too, but I remember talking to DRose once and we came to the conlusion that startin all-over would be a generally good idea.

    The solution you provided is not possible in my opinion, as scouting the map, porting bits of the map over to our current world and then smoothening the borders would be by far too much work. Also there is no way to ensure thet the copied bits are liked by everyone, as some people rather enjoy deserts, others prefer snowy areas. You also woudln't be able to import oceans and the islands, as it simply wouldn't fit our current world.

    I'd much more prefer to copy over existing areas and the chests that are located in them. This is by far the best compromise I can think of. All the other ones can't be ensured to be liked by everyone.
    Mammalia is, in my opinion, one of the things that are worth to be saved, but I don't think you wouldn't agree if I'd say that stuff like dicktowers, mud shacks or unfinished buildings by people who have left the server a long time ago are in need to be preserved for the future.

    My suggestion still stands, but a bit tweaked now.
    Let people import what they want, no matter how much. Give them 3 weeks to post what they want preserved. Let them keep their stuff in the chests and then.... BOOOM. New map. Old areas can be ported over, this will require a 1 week maintenance time. Everyone is happy and there is lots of new space. What's the problem with that?

    Anyways, it was only a suggestion made by me, basically an experiment to see people's reactions on this. I disapprove of your reaction, Gerb. But I understand your points and I'm fine with it.
    In the end, the admins make the decisions.

    Also:
    Notch just posted this on Twitter.
    Proper continents with ocean biomes and islands off-shore!
    How could one NOT like that?!
    http://i.imgur.com/lCKwM.png
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    OK to clarify my 'idea', I am referring to copying bits of THIS map into the NEW one, not the other way around.
    As for disaproving of my response weed, I have to say your original post smacked of no real forethought. I'm fine with you posting what you'd like to do, but your 'compromises' weren't really. I would be very suprised if anyone has spent more time on this version of the server than myself, and I do hold my works *very* dear. With that in mind I will never be an advocate of a full map reset, and it would probably signal the end of my involvement with the server as a result. Hence, why I would look for a genuine compromise.

    My *thoughts were a way of actually detailling how we might go about merging the two maps should it come to that - it is one thing to suggest it, but we need to know about the realities - IE how possible it is. For example I would imagine that biomes would go out of whack, although realistically the only way that would should itself is snow / rain in inappropriate places, which we already have to some degree, so I don't think it would be a killer problem.

    One thing I'd find highly amusing actually, is if we (eventually) got a full map reset, but secretly we copied over a few areas - that way I can keep working as I choose, but the rest of you have to find me ;)

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    I've got to say, I'm against a map reset. The amount of time I've invested in Nyan, while it likely pales in comparison to many of your investments, is still fairly substantial and losing all that work would be very disheartening. I'll be all for merging a 1.8 map with the current map or importing areas into a 1.8 map if those are a feasible options.

    Also, any news on when the server will be up?
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    Server's back up. The machine it's hosted on at HGS went down. The server had to be restarted manually when the host came back up, so the restart scripts and Drose's tinkerings didn't work. And I didn't realise it was down. Sorry. Somebody e-mail or PM me next time it goes down for an extended period.

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