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04-08-2011, 08:26 AM #1
It was good until it sucked
[Spoilers, I guess, if you haven't played Assassin's Creed II.]
I've been playing through Assassin's Creed II and really enjoying it, until I got to a point where I'm told to kill Rodrigo Borgia. Being a total badass with a wrist pistol, I go about doing just that, but every time I get close some other idiots get in the way, including, at one point, my "friends".
Then when I'm about to kill him he kicks me...and runs off. AND THEN I'm told that I shouldn't bother chasing him.
From that point on the rest of the game soured, especially when essentially the same thing happened again and some bastard stabbed me as I was killing him - me, the craziest assassin in Italy.
I was reminded of the ending of God of War II. You spend the entire game establishing that you are the king of all hurt, and when you finally have Zeus in your arms and are literally going to break his back, he...I can't even remember - flies away? bedazzles you? - and suddenly he's on Mt. Olympus, raising the question as to why he didn't do that in the first place.
And despite having the greatest time playing through that game, all I really remember is the non-ending. I get that III was already in the works, but when you spend the game establishing that you can and should kill anything, having a guy just run away is basically the gaming equivalent of "it was all a dream".
Anyone play anything else that had that kind of moment? Not necessarily the same mechanic, but a moment so jarring that it ruined an otherwise enjoyable experience? (And I'm exaggerating a bit with ACII, but not GOWII.)
04-08-2011, 09:31 AM #2
I may be stepping on holy ground here but Planescape Torment has recently been like this for me. I was obsessed and enamoured with it for the first half, absolutely loving most of what it had to offer and it was easy to ignore the flaws because the good things were so numerous and lovely. And then it just... changes, once you leave Sigil and get transported into Curst. Sidequests stop existing and in fact the game actually punishes you if you try to do any (seeing as one of the main Curst quests can also be done, to a far less rewarding result, way before you actually progress to that part), the story starts to unravel and what's worst, the game becomes massively combat-focused by chucking dungeons and caverns filled with loads and loads of enemies and boss battles at you. Which isn't a particularly good thing seeing as the combat in the game is downright terrible; at least it was easy to forgive that flaw when it wasn't focused on at all but it becomes impossible to look over it later on.
Eventually my will to play simply disappeared and I stopped playing. I think I was quite near the end but I just couldn't take the constant trudging through terrible combat and the save/reload samba that came out of it. What a shame.
04-08-2011, 11:20 AM #3
It would have been nice to have had some more interaction with the inhabitants of Curst as they seemed like interesting assholes, but the earlier parts of the game just had so many sidequests that I never felt I was being shortchanged.
As for the game becoming too combat-heavy, I think there are only 2 fights you actually need to do from Curst to the end of the game. Everything else you can just run past if you want and as most XP comes from conversations and completing the quests then you shouldn't be underpowered by the end.
OT: AssCreed 2 annoyed me as well with that massive bit of character assassination. You let the guy ultimately responsible for your families death go just because some people essentially say "It's not worth it". Too fucking right it is. And look - I have a gun, I could hit the fat bastard from here. No, fine, okay, let's let him go and see how that works out. Oh well shit, he became the Pope. Thanks, assholes.
Getting stabbed at the end of the Battle of Forli was annoying but easily forgiven because it set up Bonfire of the Vanities, which was my favourite part of the game. 9 people to kill, sometimes with restrictions and sometimes without, and Ezio should be at full strength. That made me go from liking the game to loving it.
04-08-2011, 11:38 AM #4
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Everything after Kane dies in Fahrenheit. And I have to agree about Assassins Creed games, they would be fantastic, if not for the bland empty "real world".
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04-08-2011, 11:09 PM #6
Still an instant classic for me but the game really went off the deep end towards the finale.
04-08-2011, 11:58 AM #7
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That bit in Ass Creed 2 with Borgia didn't bother me too much as I knew from the second I got that objective that I wasn't going to succeed as I knew from history that he became Pope (I don't know if the in-game codex even tells you as much?).
04-08-2011, 12:01 PM #8
You mentioned Baldur's Gate and I might as well derail this topic slightly to enquire: how similar are the combat systems in BG games and Torment? From what little superficial impressions I have on BG they look a bit similar but not sure how it works in actual practice. Been wanting to get acquainted with the Baldur's Gate series for ages but after Torment and their seeming mechanical similarities I've got a bit wary.
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04-08-2011, 12:37 PM #9
Baldurs Gate 1 has combat quite simiar to Torment except it flows better due to not having that radial menu or spell FMVs. Also, there are mods which allow it to be played in the BG2 engine, which makes everything better.
Speaking of which, Baldur's Gate 2 has the best combat of the lot. Everything is a lot more clear, the AI works better, mages become insanely useful, there are many classes & subclasses, the game feels more responsive and has better pathfinding, and the encounters are scripted more intelligently. Really it just has better core gameplay. The story and characters are good too, although nowhere near the level of Torment; unfortunately playing the game means whenever you play other Bioware games you notice many characters are very similar to BG ones.
Highly recommend the series though, but if you don't like the original then still check out the sequel.
I had heard those 2 bits were DLC, dickishly left out of the game (and obviously so because there were 2 missing memory sections) on the consoles by Ubisoft but nicely included by them for the PC - something they should get a bit of credit for. Both the DLC were really good too.
Not sure if the in-game codex tells you but the geeky guy in the future-setting makes a comment just after Borgias gets away about him becoming Pope years later.
04-08-2011, 12:40 PM #10
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04-08-2011, 09:56 AM #13
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Assassin's Creed Brotherhood just gets quite lame when you''ve basically finished all the map-conquering unit-training stuff and only got the story missions to do. The story's just not so interesting, enemies are more bland (that's the one thing the AC series does right; enenmies with interesting motivations, especially the first one), and there's no point in getting all the gimmicks.
I've still got the finish it, and I've heard the ending's really worth it, but I can wait, to be honest.
04-08-2011, 10:58 AM #14
Whenever I play ACII I just get so angry at getting pulled out of the gameworld. Ezio is fantastic as a character and I just loved running around the city as it had such character, but all those 'real world' elements kill it for me.
That said I'm really looking forward to playing Ass Bro at some stage.
04-08-2011, 11:43 AM #15
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Bioshock after you play golf with Andrew Ryan. The game just seemed to run out of steam after that, and Frank Fontaine was far less interesting a foe than Mister Ryan.
04-08-2011, 12:23 PM #16
Half-Life until Xen.
Is there a Half-Life post-Xen? Who knows.
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04-08-2011, 12:24 PM #17
Vampire: Bloodlines for me. It's a game I see a lot of people admiring, but I just can't forget the dreadful final third.
Also, Mirror's Edge, to an extent. It alternates, depending on whether you're in combat or not. This is great! This sucks. This is great! etc.
I agree somewhat with Bioshock although the (spoiler) bit in the Big Daddy factory and the Little sisters' rooms(/spoiler) was quite good.
04-08-2011, 01:00 PM #18
Assassin's Creed 2 Was Never Good
the article outlines quite well the problems with AC2, and why some people walk away bitter from it. plus its a funny read. i recommend reading other post on that blog, theyre quite insightful about games, shame its no longer updated.
favorite quotes: "AC2 greets you with the gap-toothed grin shared by all careless ports: an intro screen asking you to "Press Enter"."
"The game's appeal was thin even before it became a monument to corporate spite."
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04-08-2011, 02:15 PM #19
Fallout 3 was good until I realized that the main plot revolved around who gets to purify irradiated water (not a difficult task at all) using the Jefferson Memorial, which is at the mouth of a tidal basin. A war is being fought over who gets to turn on the tap of a machine that does nothing but piss in the ocean.
I had to stop playing. Who would green-light a story so daft?
04-08-2011, 03:14 PM #20
Back on topic: Sanitarium. The final areas of that game. Just. What the fuck could they have been thinking. Spoiler obviously. After going through some very well done nightmare-scapes, the first of which is one of my favorite adventure game moments (the town inhabited by mutated children), all of which fit with the concept of traveling through the mind of an amnesic insane asylum patient. Then, they decide to dump you into a children's comic book, and give you the form of a cyclops monster. It completely veered from the established atmosphere of the game, not to mention the level itself was hideously ugly (not in a good way). And then, as if that weren't bad enough, the final level is some fucking Aztec temple shit; where you have to assume the form of an Aztec God and I just don't even know what the fuck.