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    Quote Originally Posted by RIDEBIRD View Post
    S1 and Decimator are both good weapons and do a lot of damage (even for an individual).
    Yeah, but accuracy at range against moving targets is a problem though. The Lancer could possibly have a niche role there, in defenses such as that we had on Amerish one night, when the BRTD rolled in tanks from West and south across fairly open ground. 5-6 Lancers there would have made a difference for sure.

    Very situational, still.

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    Yeah, in defense situations I see it becoming useful at long range.
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    I've probably got to get the Lancer, shit or no. I'm vastly better at positioning than at aiming. Half my killstreaks come from Saron gunning (cheers Cortosis, Eclectic et al.) Is there a Cof when you aim down sights?

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    Not really bellend, its pretty much dead on. And yeah, I am beginning to see a use case for it - namely defending against armor pushes - where the Lancer would be totally worht it.
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    The lancer will be useful, eventually. Two problems: max range is capped at ~500m, and there's a weird triple plasma ball thing going on (instead of a beam or whatever), and not all plasma balls will necessarily hit at max range.

    Other than that ... the lancer will need 6 shots at full charge to take out a mbt. In a squad it'd definitely be workable. Like an annihilator, basically, but it requires a bit more skill/is more fun to use.

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    For solo/small teams at medium/short range, the Decimator/S1 is going to remain the goto solution for a bad tank day. But the Lancer is fun. And it sounds awesome. I miss the neat little rotating plasma clip Higby had on his Lancer in that demo video, though.

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    Bought Phoenix anyways, good at shooting from behind the trees.
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    OK, the Lancer is quite useful for long range tank sniping. It does quite little damage, but a hit in the rear from 400m is still pretty awesome. I suspect we will bathe in NC/TR tears because of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIDEBIRD View Post
    OK, the Lancer is quite useful for long range tank sniping. It does quite little damage, but a hit in the rear from 400m is still pretty awesome. I suspect we will bathe in NC/TR tears because of this.
    Same with Phoenix and hiding to repair behind closest rock.
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    Phoenix also seems brutal vs Inf.
    Been instagibbed by one 3 times now.

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    can't buy the bloody lancer, keep getting an error, even though I have more than enough SC to do so.

    Nevermind, 5th/6th attempt it unlocked.

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    I really need another SC sale to come around soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I really need another SC sale to come around soon...
    Yeah, I wouldn't mind if there was one for easter.

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    yeah, easter might be the next one! also, the lancer is about to receive its first buff--a COF reduction.

    now all that's missing to make it decent is a scope, no damage falloff, and being able to switch between ads/hipfire.

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    From what I see I think the lancer is the weakest right out of the box, but might become one of the best after people figure it out. Then again, it might not.

    Anyone know if they hinted at the second batch of pump action shotguns? I like the concept (even if they get nerved, I don't care) but the second model for the NC looks better in my oppinion.

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    Lancer is now patched.

    • The Phoenix Rocket Launcher should no longer have issues with camera control.
    • The Phoenix will no longer create class ability issues.
    • The Lancer Rocket Launcher has been adjusted:
      • Iron Sight Accuracy has been increased from 0.5 to 0.3
      • Hip fire accuracy has been increased to 0.5
      • Particle effects and cosmetic adjustments have been made


    You still cant charge in hipfire and then go ADS...
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    Is one charge costing 3 out of 6 ammo ?
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    One charge is 1 of 6 ammo. So a full charge is half the mag, but it takes around 6-7 seconds to charge to full, keeping the DPS way down. 6-7 seconds during which you must be aiming down sights to have accuracy over more than 50 m or so. Switching between ADS and hip fire while charging would be a vast improvement, maybe too much, even?

    Agree with Dominicus, that the Lancer probably requires the most "skill" to use correctly. I use quotation marks here, because it's not really about skill but more a matter of planning and possibly coordination.

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    Trialed it for a bit and used it in VR. Not convinced its worth 700 smedbucks. At least not for the moment.

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    quick tip: you can fire as soon as you see three bars. i.e., you don't have to wait for the audio cue. this can cut the charge time down to 3.x seconds.

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